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<div>I'd love to see it as well, but is it actually moving forward?</div>
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<div>As for the sequence of writing (Delany before Wolfe?), I recall getting volumes of Damon Knight's ORBIT anthology with both appearing (maybe not the same volume, but definitely in the same couple of years). And I recall reading both in the NEBULA collections of the same era.</div>
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<div>Delany probably moved into novels sooner (and faster), but production there has tailed off as he did more and more teaching.</div>
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<div>Religion vs. non-religion, I don't know, passages from NOVA and other works feel pretty damn religious to me. Maybe Delany doesn't believe, but he sure can talk the talk.<br><br></div>
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<div>>From: Fred Kiesche<br>><br>>> Anybody know if Samuel R. Delany is a fan of Gene Wolfe? I'm seeing parallels<br>>> in pacing, "feel" between the New Sun and SRD's "Neveron" stories and books.<br>
>> Or are both just influenced by (for example) Borges?<br>><br>>Common interests seem more likely.</div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">Though the influence of Proust and other French classics seems possible and might have a lot to do with similarities of pacing and feel. Also, Wolfe has said he admires Nabokov, and Delany started his latest novel (see below) with a quotation from Nabokov. Another common interest or influence is the pulps.<br>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">In some ways, Wolfe is the anti-Delany, though. I don't think that Wolfe has any interest in the structuralist and post-structuralist literary theory that's a basic part of Delany's worldview, or that Delany has any interest in the religious and mystical ideas that are a basic part of Wolfe's.<br>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">> Delaney was mostly writing before Wolfe - <br></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">Good point, though the<span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold"></span><font><span dir="auto"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold"> </span><span>Neveryon (</span>Nevčr˙on) books were after TBotNS. (I'm pointing out the spelling with the y because it's "never" + "yon".)<br>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">> I think he's been writing mostly autobiographies and gay porn since the '80s. He has a new SF novel out recently,</div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">Thanks, I might have to read that.</div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">Am I the only person here waiting for _The Splendor, the Misery, of Bodies, of Cities_?</div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">> though the Tor review suggested it is for the strong of stomach.<br></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">According to Wikipedia, but with a "citation needed" tag, he's said he wanted it to straddle the lines between literature, science fiction, and pornography.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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