<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Off camera, in my opinion. A ring, auks ghost, a big woman high on something victimized by Jahlee, after which she looks like chenille, and a lander all near Dorp match up with stuff supposed to be on green- the ring, the lander with horn's body, chenille, and auk. Echoes of all that stuff wound up in Dorp. And the ring changes appearance so that the narrator first says it is the same ring, then isn't. Everything there near Dorp says Silk will free them on his visits- the timelines don't have to match up as Silk and Oreb already showed up in the past in that woman's story at the start of IGJ. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 13, 2013, at 1:33 PM, <a href="mailto:entonio@gmail.com">entonio@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Silk fred them?<br><br>No dia 12/07/2013, às 13:58, Marc Aramini <<a href="mailto:marcaramini@yahoo.com">marcaramini@yahoo.com</a>> escreveu:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>The scene on dorp when Jahlee is mistaken for Chenille also has two other weird things - the presence of auks ghost and it is where Oreb brings a ring that changes to look like Horn's ring. Silk is also very concerned about the woman Jahlee just fed on, asking if she was dead, a big woman. Jahlee acts drink because she just fed on someone who turned to drugs in her sorrow. The ring, auk's ghost, and suddenly being mistaken for chenille and feeding on a big woman, as well as a lander for silk to leave in at the end, tell me auk fixed the lander and chenille wound up bled in an alley by Jahlee in dorp. Time paradoxes are irrelevant. Astral travel is time travel. Silk could have not have freed them in his time line yet. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 7, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Mason <<a href="mailto:andrew.mason53@googlemail.com">andrew.mason53@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We know that each humanoid inhumu/a has a human spirit,
which is derived from someone one of their parents fed on before their birth.
In the case we know most about, Krait, it’s his mother, but I’m not sure it has
to be in every case. Indeed, one might wonder if sometimes one of them might
have a double spirit, derived both from their father and their mother. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I suspect that for each featured inhumu/a we are meant to be
able to work out who their source is. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Krait’s we know is Sinew. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Quetzal’s, I suspect, is Pike. (I think this has been
suggested before.) The only positive evidence for this is that at one point,
when they are walking together in the dark, Silk mistakes him for Pike. But it
would make sense of some things about his character. When he says ‘Some people
love birds so much that they want to keep them caged, and other people love
birds so much that they want to set them free’, that is amazingly charitable
both to Pas and to Echidna – it has a ‘see the good in everyone’ quality worthy
of Silk. That would make sense if Quetzal’s source is Silk’s mentor. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jahlee’s, I agree with many people, is Chenille. There’s
several pieces of evidence for this; in astral travel she seems to have red
hair; Mora, on first meeting her, says ‘She looks like a whore’; and when she
is drunk in Dorp the Rajan mistakes her for Chenille. (It might be that
Chenille is the woman she has just fed on, but I don’t think so; she knows who
Chenille is – ‘that lady on Green’ – and doesn’t recognise her as her victim.)</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I do wonder in particular about Jahlee whether she might
have a double source, which could explain how she can switch so easily between
looking like an old woman and a young woman. (Fava can also look like both, but
she has to feed on children to keep looking young, while Jahlee seems able to
change at will.) <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Juganu’s, I propose (and I think this is new) is Lemur, or
possibly Loris. We are told that Juganu, in astral travel, has a hawk nose and
eyes the colour of ice.<span style=""> </span>Lemur has an
aquiline nose, and while his own eyes aren’t described, his brother, Loris, has
icy blue eyes.<span style=""> </span>(These are their chem
bodies, of course, but presumably they are modelled on their bio bodies.) In
the conversation with Remora at the end, the Rajan says Gyrfalcon was as bad as
Juganu, and Remora then (a bit cryptically, as is his wont) compares Gyrfalcon
to Lemur. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This leaves us with Fava. I’m not sure about Fava, though we
get enough descriptions of her astral body (which is said to be quite similar
to her physical body when in disguise) to suggest that her appearance is
significant in some way. It is possible, of course, that her source was in
Grandecitta – the shape-changing witch about whom Salica tells a story might
have been Fava, or perhaps her mother. Could it be that Salica herself is the
source? Fava does claim to remember her youth in Grandecitta – though it’s not
clear the memory is her own – and is at one point described as looking like a
woman who had been beautiful thirty years before. </p>
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