<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I agree with Ross that Wolfe is profoundly modernist. Pound was certainly a fascist; I will have to research his spiritual proclivities. There is a kind of very benevolent authoritarianism in much spiritual philosophy that I think influences Wolfe at least marginally as well. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 5, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Jerry Friedman <<a href="mailto:jerry_friedman@yahoo.com">jerry_friedman@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><span style="RIGHT: auto">That's interesting. Do we know that Eliot, Pound, and Tate inspired Wolfe? And was Pound Catholic?</span></div>
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<div>New Criticism is also appropriate because Wolfe, while primarily inspired by Borges, is also inspired by the Catholic English writing in the 1930's to the 1960's--Tolkien, Eliot, Pound, Tate, etc.-- Modernist-Traditionalist writers, a tradition in which I think Wolfe has a prominent place. The New Criticism was supposed to encourage and analyze this type of writing. "Meaning is reconstruction rather than deconstruction" is actually a beautiful little summary of why this is so. Remember that modernism is not postmodernism (although they are in close relation), and Wolfe is definitely a <i>modernist</i> writer.
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<div>I agree- new criticism (and historical criticism for valid context most of the time) are the most sound and applicable techniques.<br><br>I feel like the new critical approach would get the most out of Wolfe- meaning is reconstruction rather than deconstruction. For example, Reading e e cummings "anyone lived in a pretty how town" through that lens makes perfect sense, though words are used outside their normal parts of speech- meaning is reinforced rather than lost. Much of post modern thought is intentionally losing one self in a haze, getting trapped in the Cartesian circle with no egress in the absence of absolute parameters of signification. <br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:07 AM, DAVID STOCKHOFF <<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">They have their own abstract methods, and while they try to make those methods concrete, they also make them inflexible and blind. </span></div>
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