<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I think I've said this a number of times but, for me, 'hard sf' is that where the workings of science itself are a major driver of the plot. Little to do with being science-'realistic', except as an almost necessary implication. In that regard, Wolfe's work is not hard sf.<br></div><div><br>No dia 28/11/2012, às 22:55, David Stockhoff <<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>> escreveu:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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That is, the "medium" of physics-driven fiction is not the message,
which is the case with true hard SF. Wolfe works hard to reconcile
myth with physical plausibility to make a story "work." You can see
the tension between them, but he never abandons one for the other.<br>
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<div><span>I agree with him too. But Urth is still not "hard
SF."<br>
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<div id="yiv1786640469">I'd tend to agree with Lee here.
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2012 at 3:51 PM, Lee Berman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com">severiansola@hotmail.com</a>></span>
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>David Stockhoff: We're not talking about hard
SF here.<br>
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Just for the sake of discussion, I'll disagree.
Perhaps Wolfe isn't diamond-hard<br>
but I'd give him ruby- or sapphire- on the MOhs
scale. I think he makes a<br>
sincere attempt in most of his work, as the quote
below illustrates.<br>
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Where fantasy writers are content to give us shape
changers without explanation,<br>
Wolfe provides us with a sponge cellular analogy
for Tzadkiel and flexible bones<br>
and muscles, make-up and hypnotic abilities for
Inhumi.<br>
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If the Inhumi really fly through space I'd want
more than the skimpy evidence we<br>
are provided (and less evidence for their lying
nature).<br>
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>Nick Gevers: Speaking as an engineer, how
might the godling be constructed so as to<br>
>walk as a giant on land, where the undines
[submarine giantesses] cannot?<br>
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>Gene Wolfe: There are a number of ways you
could go. First, get rid of the notion that<br>
>the godling is going to be proportioned like a
human being. Changes in size always mean<br>
>changes in build. (Dr. Crane touches on that.)
A man fifty feet tall, proportioned like<br>
>you or me, would sink into the ground a lot --
had you thought of that? Take a look at<br>
>the really big dinosaurs. Bone density could
be increased, and the legs and pelvis made<br>
>more massive, and so on<br>
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