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    That is, the "medium" of physics-driven fiction is not the message,
    which is the case with true hard SF. Wolfe works hard to reconcile
    myth with physical plausibility to make a story "work." You can see
    the tension between them, but he never abandons one for the other.<br>
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        <div><span>I agree with him too. But Urth is still not "hard
            SF."<br>
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                    <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                    Daniel Petersen
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                    Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:03 AM<br>
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                    Re: (urth) Hard SF<br>
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                <div id="yiv1786640469">I'd tend to agree with Lee here.
                  -DOJP<br>
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                  <div class="yiv1786640469gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 28,
                    2012 at 3:51 PM, Lee Berman <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      >David Stockhoff: We're not talking about hard
                      SF here.<br>
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                      Just for the sake of discussion, I'll disagree.
                      Perhaps Wolfe isn't diamond-hard<br>
                      but I'd give him ruby- or sapphire- on the MOhs
                      scale. I think he makes a<br>
                      sincere attempt in most of his work, as the quote
                      below illustrates.<br>
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                      Where fantasy writers are content to give us shape
                      changers without explanation,<br>
                      Wolfe provides us with a sponge cellular analogy
                      for Tzadkiel and flexible bones<br>
                      and muscles, make-up and hypnotic abilities for
                      Inhumi.<br>
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                      If the Inhumi really fly through space I'd want
                      more than the skimpy evidence we<br>
                      are provided (and less evidence for their lying
                      nature).<br>
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                      >Nick Gevers: Speaking as an engineer, how
                      might the godling be constructed so as to<br>
                      >walk as a giant on land, where the undines
                      [submarine giantesses] cannot?<br>
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                      >Gene Wolfe: There are a number of ways you
                      could go. First, get rid of the notion that<br>
                      >the godling is going to be proportioned like a
                      human being. Changes in size always mean<br>
                      >changes in build. (Dr. Crane touches on that.)
                      A man fifty feet tall, proportioned like<br>
                      >you or me, would sink into the ground a lot --
                      had you thought of that? Take a look at<br>
                      >the really big dinosaurs. Bone density could
                      be increased, and the legs and pelvis made<br>
                      >more massive, and so on<br>
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