<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>You're absolutely correct: We're not talking about hard SF here. Some basic reasons to give the inhunu space flight theory a break are (1) they are aliens whose physiology we have only the smallest clues about (2) we do indeed keep expanding our understanding of the limits of earthly life (although to be fair bacteria don't quite count) (3) as you suggest, we know they have the powers of glamour and inhumation, so why not Cthulhu-like "flight" between "the stars"? (Tzadkiel seems to do it.) I've argued for the first two; the last bothers me because I'm not really sure I accept the shapechanging powers.<br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Still, winged flight between planets requires ether to swim in. Wolfe does not propose an ether. He makes allusions to Lovecraft but does not resurrect the whole Lovecraftian pseudoscientific context for winged flight. So even just arguing from </span><span>literary </span><span>suspension of disbelief is problematic. <br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>From this perspective, the claim is not dissimilar from a character saying he goes from house to house delivering gifts via chimneys, or claiming he has a ring to control the world, or
claiming that only he can provide eternal life, or ... In other words, it sounds like a folkloric lie used to scare children, one which is in this case slightly out of place. Some things we tell ourselves about vampires (inhumi) are true, and some are not. Given Wolfe's fixation on the "truth" of myth, this seems to fit: Vampires don't fly through space---they lie and deceive and strike at night when you are alone and unprotected. This is where I end up.<br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "entonio@gmail.com" <entonio@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">To:</span></b> The Urth Mailing List <urth@lists.urth.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:57 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: (urth) Inhumi's secret and numbers on Blue<br> </font> </div> <br>Didn't Anne McCaffrey have some such filiform beings land on a planet as well?<br><br>I find the insistence on the unfeasibility of inhumi travel misguided, except when it aims to point out that they may be lying (that's what they and their hosts do, after all). We keep discovering creatures here on earth living lives formerly considered impossible, and I mean impossible, not unlikely. To hold on to what we know to dismiss what we don't is what flat-earthers did. Still, I'm inclined to think the inhumi can't cross the void the way we're told they do. <br><br>They don't seem to have anything like a cell wall either, so no hypothetical plant-like
abilities. Otoh, theres their shapeshifting thing (which I find no one protesting!), so all bets are off. <br><br>António<br><br><br>No dia 27/11/2012, às 22:57, nate jarvis <<a ymailto="mailto:natejarv@gmail.com" href="mailto:natejarv@gmail.com">natejarv@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br><br>> If the Neighbors sent/brought the inhumi to the Whorl to judge what<br>> humans are like based on how the inhumi parasitizing them behaved,<br>> then how did they do so? If the Neighbors on Green were shipping<br>> inhumi to Bue as part of their war between Green and Blue, what was<br>> their method of shipping?<br>> <br>> Climbing a mountain--even one that pokes up out of the atmosphere like<br>> our own Olympus Mons--and then flapping your wings really really hard<br>> to fly through vacuum just seems silly. The inhumi obviously do use<br>> human tech to travel--that's how Krait and Horn get to Green--but they<br>> might also
still be using Neighbor tech to travel during the events of<br>> Short Sun.<br>> <br>> David Stockhoff lists:<br>> (1) Vacuum rupture<br>> (2) Radiation<br>> (3) Heat/cold variation<br>> (4) Navigation/propulsion<br>> (5) Reentry/landing<br>> (6) Food/air<br>> <br>> Micrometeorite impacts should maybe also be included.<br>> <br>> If inhumi have a means of going into protected stasis then #4 and<br>> likely #5 present insurmountable obstacles. If they were being fired<br>> out of cannons, that might address #4, but I don't recall any hint of<br>> space guns on Green, nor any reason to believe that the inhumi are<br>> capable of calculating where they would like to aim a space gun, let<br>> alone manipulating controls to do so themselves.<br>> <br>> So why do people on Blue believe that the inhumi fly through space? Is<br>> this just a case of the inhumi themselves knowing how to start
rumors,<br>> and wanting that particular piece of misinformation in wide<br>> circulation on Blue?<br>> <br>> Nate.<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Urth Mailing List<br>> To post, write <a ymailto="mailto:urth@urth.net" href="mailto:urth@urth.net">urth@urth.net</a><br>> Subscription/information: <a href="http://www.urth.net/" target="_blank">http://www.urth.net</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>Urth Mailing List<br>To post, write <a ymailto="mailto:urth@urth.net" href="mailto:urth@urth.net">urth@urth.net</a><br>Subscription/information: <a href="http://www.urth.net/" target="_blank">http://www.urth.net</a><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>