My point is that seraph means serpent and there's nothing in the Biblical text that I'm aware of that tries to distance that snake-like image from the angelic beings themselves. As I said before, one trained theologian knowledgeable of the original languages that I spoke too said he pictured them as winged dragons of a sort. Hence, Satan being a more or less de-winged dragon in Revelation. (And this making all serpentine/clawed images in Wolfe simultaneously resonant of both the angelic and demonic, the divine and the diabolical - appropriately, as both Jesus and Satan are imaged as a lion in the New Testament.) The Solar Cycle's soteriology reflects the N.T. in seeing salvation as a divine incarnation into the very symbols of evil (originally good in themselves) in order to redeem them back to their right place. E.g. 'claw' is a thing of tearing and death in a fallen world but becomes, in the Conciliator, a thing of healing. <div>
<br></div><div>Observe one of my favourite theological passages in BotNS:<div><br></div><div>'What I was going to tell you was that the existence of that relic seems to have given some people the idea that the Conciliator used claws as weapons. I have sometimes doubted that he existed; but if such a person ever lived, I'm sure that he used his weapons largely against himself. Do you understand what I am saying?' (p. 173 in the Fantasy Masterworks version of Sword and Citadel)</div>
<div><br></div><div>This is why the gem's touch earlier in the book can be described as the 'kiss of the claw'. In the paragraph following the one above, the contrast is given: some use 'claws of steel' as a 'charm against the coming of the New Sun'. Such people 'must want to hold back the coming of the New Sun so they can take his place and perhaps usurp his powers.' As with many such theologically revealing passages, it is cut short mid-sentence and not returned to.</div>
<div><br></div><div>At any rate, the former quote is the messianic sense of the Claw (self-sacrifice) and the latter is the satanic or antichrist sense of the Claw (violent tyranny). Biblically, both may be related to serpents/dragons/lions. There is no inherently evil beast in the biblical ecosphere, but rather they symbol forth both good and evil according to context.<br>
<div><br></div><div>-DOJP<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Jeff Wilson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwilson@clueland.com" target="_blank">jwilson@clueland.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 11/26/2012 3:08 PM, Daniel Petersen wrote:<br>
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From H8313; burning, that is, (figuratively) poisonous (serpent);<br>
specifically a saraph or symbolical creature (from their copper<br>
color):—fiery (serpent), seraph.<br>
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Yes, but when the word is used for multi-winged angels "burning ones" is more literal, because one tests a prophet with a hot coal, IIRC.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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