>From a conversation a few years ago with a theologian who knew the original languages of the Bible, I gather that Satan may have been in the angelic order of a seraph and a seraph is in the form of a winged serpent (dragon). Thus, the serpent cursed to crawl on his belly is a de-winged dragon. But it doesn't sound like their are claws to speak of on these flying-serpent 'dragons'. But Satan is referred to as a dragon in the book of Revelation in the New Testament and that depicition sounds to me somehow more like the traditional dragon we usually think of - i.e. with legs... and claws. So perhaps by this route you have your Genesis-based dragon claw.<div>
<br></div><div>But like Jesus lifted up just as the bronze serpent was lifted up in the desert to heal the Israelites, and like Jesus wore a crown of thorns just as man is cursed to work the thorny ground for food, so too Jesus could be said to have suffered the dragon's claw on the cross in order to free mankind from the grip of that very claw. </div>
<div><br></div><div>One more thing: lions have claws and both Satan and Jesus are likened to a lion in the New Testament. The Claw, then, seems to draw consistently on images that are biblically employed for both curse/evil/satan and blessing/good/messiah. And I think the Claw's symbolism mingles these two opposed uses to simultaneously represent the ironic defeat of the former and the subversive triumph of the latter... (I think this ties in well with elements of the theology of the Outsider also.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>-DOJP<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM, David Stockhoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net" target="_blank">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 11/22/2012 3:49 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:<br>
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From: David Stockhoff <<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net" target="_blank">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>><br>
Very well thought out! If the thorn is the key to the meaning of the Claw, and fangs do seem to occupy a space adjacent to thorns, they are therefore a link to the Claw.<br>
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It occurs to me that the Claw is not associated with any animal, even by speculation. One thinks of a bird, especially a bird of prey, but this is not supported at all.<br>
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In fact it's rejected.<br>
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"(Because the Conciliator is given a Claw, one is tempted to make the easy association of the eagle of Jove with the sun; it is perhaps too pat.)"<br>
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CotC, Appendix<br>
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Jerry Friedman<br>
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Yes, of course. "Perhaps too pat" indeed. It all but instructs us to look elsewhere, doesn't it? Away from the pagan and toward Genesis, maybe.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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