<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Sergei SOLOVIEV <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:soloviev@irit.fr">soloviev@irit.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
IMHO, the answer is "no" -<br>
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my reasons<br>
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- it seems that there is on this list a (culturally determined) drive to identify almost everything with almost everything<br>
else, I do not share it;<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Noted.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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- the description - a beautiful spaceship with sails - in case of Severian's ship - is very different, the captain is Tsadkiel,<br>
a king of angelic creature, the ship is a sort of messenger of a higher world;<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I understand that at the time Severian was aboard the ship it had evolved to what it was. That doesn't imply that it couldn't have once come from humble beginnings, as a lowly earth vessel, as Severian himself was a lowly torturer.</div>
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- it may be unique, but the story seems to be a sort of persistent legend among the sailors, it is presented as such;</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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- by the way, why should we believe Purn? As far as I remember, she was sent by one of the monsters who are<br>
enemies of Severian and tried to kill him;<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There are a great many other references to The Ship being one vehicle, I really didn't think that this was something I'd have to document. People were even meeting earlier versions of themselves as they came aboard what they thought was another ship from their own memory, if I recall correctly. If this is really something I need to support I'll paste more quotes.</div>
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- last, but not least, the attempt to identify the Whorl with Tsadkiel's ship will destroy one of important dramatic<br>
oppositions in the Solar cycle, where Typhon (Pas) who built it, is a kind of Luciferian or Antichrist figure - it<br>
will destroy the opposition between the ship created by a human ruler who wants to be god, and messengers<br>
of higher universes.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And my interpretation of the transformation of the Whorl->The Ship isn't incongruous with that. The series embodies transformation and the rebirth of the Christ figure in Severian, why not a transformation over the years from something made to serve a self-worshipping narcisist to its opposite, a self-sacrificing higher being?</div>
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One extra remark - to me, from the point of view of literary evolution of Gene Wolfe, the<br>
Tsadkiel ship seems a possible development of the idea of the ship in "Silhouette".<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, I think that the ship in Silhouette could also be a stage of development of the Whorl->The Ship.</div>
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Regards<br>
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Sergei Soloviev<br>
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Nathan C. Tresch wrote:<br>
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I posted this question to this site, and I was wondering if anyone here had any input? <br>
Is the Whorl also the Universal Transport in the Solar Cycle by Gene Wolfe?<br>
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