There's a certain plausibility to your suggestion, David.  I too have sometimes wondered about what seemed a lack of emphasis on God as Creator in Wolfe.  But he does work it in there at times, sometimes rather overtly and powerfully:<div>
<br></div><div>'<a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/But" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">But</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/everything" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">everything</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/had" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">had</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/approached" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">approached</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/and" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">and</a> <span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"></span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/even" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">even</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/touched" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">touched</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/the" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">the</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/Pancreator" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"><b style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;background-image:initial;background-color:rgb(255,246,163)">Pancreator</b></a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">, </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/because" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;background-color:rgb(226,226,226);font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">because</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/everything" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">everything</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/had" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">had</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/dropped" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">dropped</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/from" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">from</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/his" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">his</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/hand" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">hand</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">. </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/Everything" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">Everything</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"></span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/was" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">was</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> a </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/relic" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">relic</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">. </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/All" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">All</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/the" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">the</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/world" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">world</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/was" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">was</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px"> a </span><a href="http://quotebook.us/statements_aphorisms_quotes_about/relic" style="padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-decoration:none;font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">relic</a><span style="font-family:Verdana,sanf-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px">.' </span> </div>
<div><br>The Increate is not the only divine name in Wolfe...</div><div><br></div><div>-DOJP</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:58 PM, David Stockhoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On 4/2/2012 9:05 AM, Lee Berman wrote:<br>
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I agree with David Stockhoff's assessment that godly beings have a hand in their<br>
own creation in BotNS. But I see this as Wolfe's extrapolation of the principle<br>
that God created man in His own image. If God is alpha and omega it makes a sort<br>
of circular logic that Man created God in his own image.<br>
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Possibly irrelevantly, I have my own ideas about that word "create." I don't think Wolfe believes God created Man at all, but rather that he brought about human evolution by the very sort of invisible, incremental, independent forces that are dramatized in BTNS and clarified in UTNS. He is the Increate---the only uncreated being---not the Creator. He does nothing but /be, /and matter is attracted to him, inevitably organizing itself in his image.<div class="HOEnZb">
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