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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=severiansola@hotmail.com
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<DIV><BR>> Gerry Quinn: </DIV>
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there are substantial and obvious allusions to Christian symbols and
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references to Jesus Christ in Long Sun and Short Sun. </DIV>So I
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</DIV>how you can argue that Christianity is not mentioned.</DIV>
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<DIV>[I restored the first sentence above. Why did you snip it?]<BR><BR></DIV>
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</DIV>Because it isn't. Quasi-Christian symbols and concepts can be found from
pre-Christ<BR></DIV>
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on earth. Notably in the Egyptian and Roman cultures from which the Whorl
society<BR></DIV>
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don't think the presence of Christian-like symbols in ancient times means that
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existed before Jesus Christ. So I don't think similar symbols in the story
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references to Jesus of Nazareth are not “quasi-Chris</DIV>
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symbols and concepts”. And did those societies have the Sign of the Cross? Did
they have rosary beads?</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: ; COLOR: ; TEXT-DECORATION: ">[I also
do not find it convincing that the Whorl society is modelled on Egyptian and
Roman cultures. Among the Cargo alone there is a huge variety of culture,
as we can see in the context of Trigivaunt, Gaon etc.]</DIV></DIV>
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</DIV>In a previous post I agreed with the possibility of the scenario Dan'l
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That Silk's vision of a Jesus-like guy was in fact Jesus Christ of
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the Outsider draws the image from across universes to provide that vision. Like
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I don't see much evidence of a Christ on Urth. Postulating a secret, hidden,
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of Christians somewhere on Urth and unmentioned by the author just isn't very
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don’t postulate a secret society of Christians, though I think it’s perfectly
plausible that there are Christians on Urth, or members of an evolved version of
Christianity. Quetzal is familiar with certain traditions that seem to
come from a future version of Christianity or Islam (do you postulate a failed
Prophet too?) </DIV>
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hear from Marble, I think, that Chems used to worship the Outsider back in
Typhon’s day.</DIV></DIV>
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is referred to in the character name lists as “A forgotten god. (Perhaps
an alternative name for the Outsider.)” How direct do you want Wolfe to
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If you are unwilling to acknowlege that quasi-Christian symbolism existed
before<BR></DIV>
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on earth I could sorta see how the "sign of addition" might appear as proof
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that Christ existed on Urth. Still I would think the presence of
haruspicy<BR></DIV>
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via animal entrails) and augury (divination via flight patterns of
birds)<BR></DIV>
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the priests of Viron would at least hint that this is a pre-Christian, pagan
sort <BR></DIV>
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religion.</DIV></DIV>
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may be pagan, but it is set in the future of a universe resembling our
own. Nor is it a matter of a few random symbols, but a lot of very
specific ones. And Jesus is very clearly referenced. Allah is even
mentioned by name, and Quetzal gives us a mutated version of Genesis.
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<DIV>Ignoring all this stuff won’t make it go away.<BR> <BR>- Gerry
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