"I do agree that this subject continually teeters on the brink of being off-topic in<br>
a Wolfe forum and might be something of a dead horse."<br><br>I tend to agree with this. The topic of the thread is <i>The Wizard</i>, and has turned into (again) a discussion of whether or not the Sun Cycle takes place in a "Christian" universe. While that might be an interesting subject in its own right, it is a bit off-topic, and when it starts turning into disagreements about the OT and personal religious beliefs, I start losing interest entirely.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Lee Berman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com">severiansola@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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>Daniel Petersen: I hope maybe what I (and some others) have said can<br>
>help at least some people think twice before they make sweeping Dawkinsian<br>
>generalisations about these matters based on utterly unsophisticated<br>
>readings of OT/NT.,,,All of this is very relevant to Wolfe's fiction also in<br>
>regard to allowing a text to do what it does rather than reading so much of<br>
>one's own agenda into it so as to mangle it.<br>
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Heh. Thanks for a very well written post Daniel. We haven't interacted in here<br>
all that much so I can forgive you for mistaking me for some militant atheist<br>
with an agenda like Richard Dawkins. I happen to think of Dawkins as a brilliant<br>
populist theoretical biologist and a short-sighted, prejudiced fool in his<br>
outspoken hateful views on religion. My own views are generally the opposite of<br>
his.<br>
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The idea of proving my "sophistication" in understanding the Bible seems a bit<br>
distasteful. Must different imply inferior? Perhaps I will only mention that you,<br>
yourself, seem to have an agenda which makes it difficult for you to read the<br>
Bible in any manner which could present God in a "bad" light. I wouldn't call that<br>
view of the Bible "unsophisticated" but I think it is fair to consider it colored<br>
a bit.<br>
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(FWIW, I personally agree with Dan'l, et al. that the brutality depicted in the OT<br>
and the human emotions and motivations attributed to the deity reflect more on<br>
the people and culture of the times, than on God, Himself)<br>
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I do agree that this subject continually teeters on the brink of being off-topic in<br>
a Wolfe forum and might be something of a dead horse. I don't think I have anything<br>
further to add, though I get the impression Gerry Quinn might still want to go<br>
on discussing a bit.<br>
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