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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dstockhoff@verizon.net
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On 12/17/2011 9:15 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:<BR><BR>> > > But they also
tell us what's being subverted and thus a clue<BR>> > > as to why. It's
not a question of "if Dorcas is Sleeping Beauty, then<BR>> > > who's
the witch"? There is no poisoned apple. But if there is a witch,<BR>> >
> it's Severian.</DIV></DIV>
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> The story of Sleeping Beauty involves witches and poisoned apples now?
<BR>> > It only remains for Lee to propose that Father Inire is all of the
<BR>> > Seven Dwarfs. But anyway, that error is not important, but it
points <BR>> > to the real error: you neither know nor care whether you
are talking <BR>> > about Sleeping Beauty or Snow White, because you are
just riffing on <BR>> > stuff in your head which has completely lost
contact with the text.<BR><BR>> You keep getting stuck on this, Gerry. There
is no poisoned apple in <BR>> BNS, therefore there is nothing to clearly
reference either story. The <BR>> witch and the sleeping woman are the key
parts. There is no 1:1 <BR>> relationship.</DIV></DIV>
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are flailing desperately, in my opinion. Severian was certainly not
responsible for Dorcas’s death, so placing him as the witch (or wicked fairy, in
the canonical version of Sleeping Beauty) is absurd. If you want to change
every aspect of the story, and even what story it is, what is the point of your
argument? When you say “there is no 1:1" relationship”, then, given the
sort of relationships you are apparently willing to propose, you are tacitly
admitting that there is no relationship at all. Because admitting the sort
of relationships you are proposing now would imply that every book should be
discussed as if it reconstituted the Library of Babel.</DIV></DIV>
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is a vague resonance with Sleeping Beauty when a beautiful woman is
resurrected. Just as there is a vague resemblance between Dr. Talos and a
stuffed fox. Discussing the stuff that you are suggesting is meaningful –
for example the “enchantment” you claimed Dorcas is under – is the equivalent of
discussing the horsehair Talos is stuffed with, and what colour horse it came
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