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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=severiansola@hotmail.com
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> Gerry Quinn: Their minds weren’t wiped – we know that quite clearly from
Mamelta <BR>> > and Rigoglio, who remember much of their time on
Urth.<BR><BR>> I would keep in mind that Mamelta was awakened improperly and
there was no chance<BR>> for what might have been the mind wiping process.
Rigoglio seems to be a special <BR>> case, for some reason (authorily to
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are the two Sleepers that we talk to (unless there are more in IGJ and RttW that
I haven’t got to on my re-read) and so must be taken as representative.
Mamelta indicates that she has had a brain operation, presumably long enough
before the Whorl was launched to allow recuperation. No special additional
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<DIV><BR>> But, there was mind erasure going on as is made clear in Tartaros'
conversation<BR>> with Auk. You shouldn't assume it was complete mind
erasure. The conversation<BR>> reflects a selective erasure with regard to
the gods and their worship.</DIV>
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<DIV>Sure. [Although it’s not certain that the procedure was exactly the
same for the First Settlers and the Sleepers, and it seems to have been
different again for the Crew, if indeed their memories were tampered with at all
– they see the Whorl gods as “aspects of Mainframe”.] In any case, it’s
quite clear that any memory erasure among the Sleepers was very
incomplete.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>> >As for the painting, it might well have been an realistic
psychological portrait, <BR>> >but presumably Piaton had but one
penis.....Campion’s painting was probably created <BR>> >at the time the
Whorl was being fitted out (it shows bulldozers, referred to as taluses),
<BR>> >and in the Whorl, which is unlikely to be as prone to viral images
as our current society, <BR>> >would have needed some time to
become famous. The obscene parody, then, was presumably <BR>>
>created much later.<BR> <BR>> The evidence suggests you have it
backwards. The bulldozers are a direct reference to the <BR>> autonomous
machines ("wains", iirc) which were used to carve the mountains into
Typhon's<BR>> likeness. The orgy is a direct reference to Typhon's demand of
Severian, as his regent, to<BR>> provide him tribute of young women and boys.
The nursing of erections also a direct<BR>> reference to Severian's
experience with Typhon.</DIV>
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<DIV>None of that can sustain even cursory scrutiny. A “wain” is just a
large cart, but that’s beside the point. The description refers to two of
Pas’s bulldozers which “were still at work upon the whorl”. They were
planting a tree behind his throne. If the mountain head were above a
throne, a tree behind it would be kind of invisible, no? It has absolutely
nothing to do with the mountain head.</DIV>
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<DIV>The orgy is on a drape Blood has ordered or acquired to cover the Sacred
window in his brothel. It is an obscene parody of Campion’s well-known
original painting. Typhon did not have two penises, or if he had Severian
did not mention it. The two penises in the orgy painting are clearly
created by a painter steeped in the two-headed iconography of Pas the whorl god
– it was painted by someone in the Whorl, and could not have been painted before
Typhon became Pas. [Campion may or may not have departed with the
Whorl.]</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>> Thus the perverted, blasphemous painting, accurately depicting
reality on Urth is the<BR>> older and more original painting. </DIV>
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<DIV>That kind of summarises your entire approach to Wolfe. And, as I’ve
shown above, it doesn’t work as an interpretation.</DIV>
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<DIV>- Gerry Quinn</DIV>
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