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On 11/19/2011 2:54 PM, Marc Aramini wrote:
<div>>I was reading shakespeare today and the term huswife came
up,<br>
>and I realized it was just a form of house: I think Babbie is
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<div>Yeah, I knew it was Scandinavian for house. And I understood
that the word referred to Babbie's ability to take in souls. It's
just that the whole thing seemed rather overt for a Wolfe naming
MO.<br>
<br>
><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Also, your
contention that Horn is part neighbor is good,<br>
>I am just not sure he is fully neighbor and fully human in
that way. <br>
>He is still spiritually inferior to Silk even after his time
in the pit: a self-serving man. <br>
<br>
</font>Well okay. But there is a long period while he is on the
Whorl that he does come off very Silkish. He does strike that man
who gave him the corn but I the man attacked HIM (I could
speculate, but it's not exactly clear to me why he did that). I
don't think Wolfe would consider self-defense a mark against one's
character. I don't not believe the Neighbors morally superior
other than that they don't prey on others.<br>
<br>
><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Also, your
contention that Horn is part neighbor is good, <br>
>I am just not sure he is fully neighbor and fully human in
that way. <br>
>He is still spiritually inferior to Silk even after his time
in the pit: a self-serving man. <br>
<br>
I don't really see him that way. Because he cheats on Nettle?
Those vows were "until death do us part". <br>
Even before he fell in the pit, I didn't hold it against Horn
since I think Seawrack was designed to be literally
irresistible.<br>
<br>
</font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">>If the
neighbor portion of him is there, it has not made him
"better" in the way that Silk is good,<br>
>so I can't quite liken it to the condition of Christ being
fully human and fully divine.<br>
<br>
I don't think we're expected to take it that far. The Rajan is a
Christ-figure, not Christ. Just as is Severian (who is far from
perfect).<br>
The Rajan is a mediator between Neighbor and Man (not God and
Man as Jesus is). He is an impossible combination of two
incapitable entities. 100% of both. He is a sense a Trinity.
Wolfe is exploring and rationalizing these facts. The Rajan is
not to Jesus in the same way Aslan is.<br>
<br>
>I will on my next re-read of Short Sun, probably next year,<br>
>pay careful attention to hints that he is or is not a
neighbor,<br>
>but I am still sticking with the external neighbor Horn
paradigm<br>
>for now as something distinct from the resurrected Horn,<br>
<br>
Well, as with all Wolfe stories, you invariably end up with 3 or
4 equally defensible big theories without the textual means to
finally choose the *right* one. That's why I like it when I
think I can identity more than one external paradigms that I can
use to *check* a theory. I think the connection between
Neighbors (greenbuck and the pit) and Faeries (white deer and
faerie circles) with the story of Prydain from the Mabinogion is
meaningful in Horn's story. And the connection to Actaeon (son
of Aristaeus) reconfirms it.<br>
<br>
I think you should /consider/ accepting the possibility that
Green is not post-Ushas, but Eden (I like your "jungle as Eden"
analogy). In that case, Blue could be the companion satellite
that collided with Urth to form Lune. </font><font
class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">"Trees eating people to
form Neighbors" is absolutely vital if Green is Urth's future.
But it is totally unnecessary if the Green is in Urth's past. </font><font
class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">You might be right
about the hybidization as an important clue, but it might not
mean what you think it does. <br>
<br>
>I need to look at the text holistically again. <br>
>(fasting was a trait of Silk when he was scared of being
selfish)</font><br>
<br>
I don't think he would have to fake eating in order to fast. I
think it is really important that he doesn't show any genuine
interest in eating until the Spring. I consider that additional
evidence that the Neighbors are the trees.<br>
<br>
One advantage you have over me however is that at least you have
settled in your own mind how the inhumi are/become liannas. I
could say that when inhumi feed on Neighbors in dream-travel form,
that their children take the form of vines. That would get me
there.<br>
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