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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=crushtv@gmail.com
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<DIV>> >
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> Answered in my previous post. <BR>> > The rising Sun *is*
in a real sense visible in the poem. Unlike
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<DIV>> > Just to clarify our terms. "In a real sense" means "not".
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<DIV>> So you don’t agree that it’s possible to see something in a mirror,
or in general by its reflection? <BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>> The sky is not a reflection. You are imagining a mirror, and a
refection, all your own.</DIV>
<DIV>> You are creating your own poem here. </DIV>
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<DIV>The ‘noose of light’ around the turret is reflected sunlight. It’s
not exactly a conventional mirror, but when you see it you *are* seeing the
Sun. <BR>
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<DIV><BR>> > > Are you saying that because the Iliad speaks of the
Dawn's "rosy fingers"? Now</DIV>
<DIV>> > > you are using knowledge of classical literature to
buttress your interpretation. </DIV>
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<DIV>> > Yes, because the well-known association is there, unlike the
case in the poem</DIV>
<DIV>> > where were are talking about a noose. The noose is
apparently a new </DIV>
<DIV>> > metaphor dreamt up by Fitzgerald; it has no classical
associations that I know of.</DIV>
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<DIV>> > > But that is totally legitimate because YOU are doing it. I
don't recall anywhere </DIV>
<DIV>> > > that the sun is associate with nooses, ropes, or lariats.
(Sun as cowboy?)</DIV>
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<DIV>> > It’s not – I interpret the poem on its own terms. If the
poem had referred to the </DIV>
<DIV>> > Huntsman’s starry sword, I’d have no hesitation in saying the
Huntsman is Orion.</DIV>
<DIV>> > But he’s the Huntsman of the East, and he throws a
noose of sunlight, so he’s </DIV>
<DIV>> > obviously the rising Sun.</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>> o...m...g.<BR>> <BR>> So, for literature written at any time in
history, it is a legitimate classical reference</DIV>
<DIV>> if Gerry knows about it. Gerry already knows every classical
reference that matters.</DIV>
<DIV>> The ones he knows are overridingly important. The ones he
doesn't know, he's not </DIV>
<DIV>> going to learn because that would be pointless. AND it is a legitimate
reference if </DIV>
<DIV>> it suddenly occurs to Gerry at the time. All other references
"lesser-legitimate". <BR>> Cool. Glad we've nailed that down at
last.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>That’s all nonsense and you know it. I am sure I am not as au fait
with classical references as some, but I am perfectly well aware of the
references to Orion as huntsman, and Dawn’s rosy fingers. It doesn’t mean
I draw up some mindless program where any reference to a hunter must needs
involve Orion, or whatever. What bit of the word *interpretation* do you
not understand?</DIV>
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<DIV>I’m not saying Orion isn’t there because I didn’t ever hear of Orion the
hunter, or because I didn’t think of it first. I’m saying Orion isn’t
there because the Sun as Hunter metaphor works given the imagery in the poem,
and because there is no Orion imagery there that works.</DIV>
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<DIV>- Gerry Quinn</DIV>
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