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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=crushtv@gmail.com
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Answered in my previous post. <BR>> The rising Sun *is* in a real
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<DIV>> Just to clarify our terms. "In a real sense" means "not". </DIV>
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<DIV>So you don’t agree that it’s possible to see something in a mirror, or in
general by its reflection? <BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="DISPLAY: inline">> When have I ever objected to metaphor?
What I look for, though, are </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="DISPLAY: inline">> metaphors that are actually present, like
the noose of light, which is </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="DISPLAY: inline">> self-evidently thrown by the
Sun.<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>> In classical cosmology, the Sun is the god that *rules* the day. It's
doesn't </DIV>
<DIV>> cause it. That is why we can have a separate god that personifies "the
Dawn" </DIV>
<DIV>> and why Khayyam can speak of Morning throwing a stone. The Sun is
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<DIV>> incidental (given the reference to Morning) as any other
celestial object.</DIV>
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<DIV><Shrug> We’re discussing Fitzgerald’s poem, not classical
cosmology.<BR></DIV>
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*Morning* is named. Morning throws the stone at the stars. Why <BR></DIV>
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Eos is not such a terrible interpretation. Unlike Orion, I think a
reasonable </DIV>
<DIV>> case could be made. Nevertheless, the Sun imagery seems much
stronger. </DIV>
<DIV>> If Fitzgerald had written, say, “bright fingers grasp the turret”,
I’d go with Eos. </DIV>
<DIV>> But he’s making up his own metaphor, and it’s a better one
IMO.<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>> Are you saying that because the Iliad speaks of the Dawn's "rosy
fingers"? Now</DIV>
<DIV>> you are using knowledge of classical literature to buttress your
interpretation. </DIV>
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<DIV>Yes, because the well-known association is there, unlike the case in the
poem where were are talking about a noose. The noose is apparently a new
metaphor dreamt up by Fitzgerald; it has no classical associations that I know
of.</DIV>
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<DIV>> But that is totally legitimate because YOU are doing it. I don't
recall anywhere </DIV>
<DIV>> that the sun is associate with nooses, ropes, or lariats. (Sun as
cowboy?)</DIV>
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<DIV>It’s not – I interpret the poem on its own terms. If the poem had
referred to the Huntsman’s starry sword, I’d have no hesitation in saying the
Huntsman is Orion. But he’s the Huntsman of the East, and he throws a
noose of sunlight, so he’s obviously the rising Sun.</DIV>
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<DIV>It’s not rocket science.</DIV>
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<DIV>- Gerry Quinn </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>