<HTML><HEAD></HEAD>
<BODY dir=ltr>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dstockhoff@verizon.net
href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net">David Stockhoff</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">>
> > And where is the rising sun in the poem? It is not<BR>> > >
mentioned anywhere---there is no "rising" depicted whatsoever. You have<BR>>
> > inferred it without realizing it. Where is the sun itself? Nowhere
in<BR>> > > the poem at all. If it is there, what does it look like?
Does it have a<BR>> > > disk? A color? A mien? It might be like a stone
in one way, but<BR>> > > otherwise there are no answers. It's not
there.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">
<DIV><BR>> > Come on – you are not seriously making such an argument? The
Sun is <BR>> > not yet visible, but its rays shining on the top of a tower
are.<BR><BR>> "The Sun is not yet visible." Thank you.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You asked “where is the rising sun”? It is just below the
horizon. In a moment we will see it. Already we see its light
shining on the tower. It is Orion that is nowhere mentioned, nowhere
visible, and nowhere implied except for your invalid paint-by-numbers insistence
that any hunter must somehow be Orion.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>> > By the way, I looked up “hunter of the east interpretation’
in Google. <BR>> > I found two interpretations. Both agreed with me that
the hunter is <BR>> > the Sun.<BR><BR>> No they don't. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes they do. One says: “<FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; DISPLAY: inline !important; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; FLOAT: none; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
class=Apple-style-span>The stanza presents two arresting personifications, the
first when<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><I
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Morning</I><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; DISPLAY: inline !important; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; FLOAT: none; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>chases the
stars away and the second when the sun<FONT color=#000000>,</FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=#000000><I
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">the
Hunter of the East</I><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; DISPLAY: inline !important; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; FLOAT: none; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
class=Apple-style-span>, lassoes the<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space>
</SPAN></SPAN><I
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Sultan's
Turret</I><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; DISPLAY: inline !important; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; FLOAT: none; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>with a rope of
light.” The second (speaking of a third) says “<FONT face=Calibri><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff8dc"><I
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.6pt">Hunter of the East</FONT></I><SPAN
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; LETTER-SPACING: normal; DISPLAY: inline !important; FONT-FAMILY: ; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; FLOAT: none; COLOR: ; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"
class=Apple-style-span><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 13.6pt"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>somewhat arbitrarily taken to mean
"Eastern wisdom, a mighty slayer of delusion" where 'the Sun' would
suffice</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff8dc" face=Calibri>“. Neither mentions Orion
anywhere.</FONT><FONT> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> I told you the sun is the Hunter of the East. I told you <BR>> HOW
he is the Hunter of the East and how it derives from the <BR>> just-vanished
Orion, who is the original Hunter of the East. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is turning into gibberish. You started off by insisting that the
Hunter is Orion, and I told you that the Hunter is the Sun. Now you
are trying to make out that yes, okay, the Hunter is the Sun, but the Sun is
somehow really Orion. The Hunter is the Sun, period. Orion is not involved
here anywhere. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> The night <BR>> hunter becomes the day hunter. Do you read posts in
their entirety? Do <BR>> you have an explanation for how the sun is the
hunter? No, it's "just so."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I did explain it, though it barely needs an explanation. the Sun has
thrown a noose of light around the tower. The poet sees it as capturing
the tower, i.e, hunting it. The Hunter of the East, in fact, as distinct
from any other hunter such as Orion.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- Gerry Quinn</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>