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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=severiansola@hotmail.com
href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com">Lee Berman</A> </DIV>
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> Some woodland god who shares one syllable and no etymology with the
<BR>> > English word silver, and has at best a tenuous connection with
Dionysus. Of course <BR>> >that must be the explanation! Why
worry about the quite plausible derivation of <BR>> >Silent Silk and
Silver Silk (for a single god, not two) that Wolfe gives us in the
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without showing himself or speaking or making the window<BR>> change in any
way.<BR>> <BR>> So how does that explain the epithet Silver? It would seem
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if he only meant the "silent" explantation to have significance?</DIV></DIV>
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size=3 face=Calibri>But Tartaros generally turns them black and speaks. Silk
said he didn't speak </FONT></DIV>
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size=3 face=Calibri>or make the window change at all, pretty often. He just
looked on."</FONT></DIV>
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size=3 face=Calibri>In contrast to Tartaros, Silk leaves the windows the colour
they are. Which is described the first time we see one as “luminous
grey”. ‘Luminous Grey Silk’ lacks both poetry and alliteration; thus
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><BR>> If ignoring Silver Silk works for you,
that's completely fine. </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black">But as you see, I don’t ignore it. That’s
your trick. </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black">I went back and searched the Urth archives for
your post on the subject. You wrote: “<FONT
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is that this is an allusion to a couple satyrs/fauns who are associated with the
Dionysus cult, Silvanus and Silenus</FONT>.”</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black">You totally ignored the clear explanation given
in the text. Sure, maybe you thought it only explained 50%, there’s no sin
in not spotting the meaning of ‘Silver’, though I’d have thought a little
thinking about the nature of Sacred Windows would make it clear. But the
thing is, you never mentioned it at all. Did you not read it? Or did
you maybe think an explanation in the text was irrelevant compared to some
random connections of a couple of syllables to some associate of some god you
want to generate a vague theory about, and some associate of some other god that
might have been associated with the first one. Better not confuse list
members with that.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black">And nobody else mentioned it either. Better
I suppose to chase that new hare.</DIV>
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don't have to connect them but why huff and fume when others do? It is in the
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f5f5f5">It’s n</FONT>ot in the text in any meaningful
way. It’s either random noise or a reference so cryptic it might as well
be. Rhea Silvia is a completely different case, it’s a full name
pseudo-translation of someone who is very clearly the mother of the very clearly
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>I see a problem when a continual torrent of supposed ‘levels’ are proposed
by readers who don’t <BR>> >appear to recognise the need for or even
validity of any methodology for assessing the <BR>> >difference between a
genuine correspondence or some spurious ‘link’ dreamt up out of random noise
<BR>> >while trying to confirm some other highly questionable
theory.<BR><BR>> But I'm not clear on what your "valid methodology" for
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this work of literature is. Is it possible for you to explain it? It can't
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on the old humdrum of "what's in the text".</DIV></DIV>
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size=+0>“What’s in the text” is central to it. Obviously I can’t provide a
statistical mechanism for distinguishing near-perfectly between literary
references and noise, but I do assert that there is a distinction and a
competent reading is not possible without some means of making it with some
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start would be reading the text and considering and reporting alternative
explanations that are clearly and explicitly given. Don’t you
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that everyone, theorists and skeptics alike, are selective in parsing out
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which support a particular view. Let's be honest, Gerrry, ignoring the Silver
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in general, I do try to consider and report alternative readings or
issues. You criticised me for doing just that, recently.</DIV></DIV>
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the way, here’s something from your next post in that thread: “<FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">In conclusion, I think the presence of
Dionysus' millenia-long worship does provide a significant enough basis for a
secret underpinning to understanding of the Sun series. More and more this seems
to me like a gnostic universe that Wolfe has created.”</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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secret underpinning... a gnostic universe” I don’t make random assertions
about what is being proposed on this list, either.</DIV></DIV>
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