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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=severiansola@hotmail.com
href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com">Lee Berman</A> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Quinn: The question of whether Urth had a Christ is one that </DIV>
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it is only in your theory that it has any relevance to the which cycle of the
universe <BR></DIV>
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exists in. There is plenty of textual evidence, particularly in Long Sun,
suggesting <BR></DIV>
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Urth did indeed have a Christ.</DIV></DIV>
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has been noted in the past, I think the evidence is more for a Jesus than a
Christ.</DIV></DIV>
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is the evidence other than it fitting your theological-cosmological
framework? I think there is much evidence for a Jesus Christ. If
Urth’s Mohammed preached of Allah, things seem to have gone much as they have on
Earth. It is indicated to Silk that the Outsider possessed and enlightened
Jesus – in Silk’s terms that is as close as we can come. </DIV></DIV>
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what would be the point of Silk being sent visions of what would appear to be
some kind of failed Jesus? </DIV></DIV>
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also don’t think the Outsider’s iconography is exceptionally dark, except
insofar as it appears to Silk for circumstantial reasons, in that the Outsider
is god of the world outside the Whorl, which in our case starts with sunshine
and blue skies, but in Silk’s case starts with the vacuum of outer space.
As I’ve noted, the descriptions of the Outsider in the casts of characters seem
to resemble in some ways the Persons of the Trinity.</DIV></DIV>
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Marble: "When we were outside like him [The Outsider], living in the Short Sun
Whorl <BR></DIV>
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this one was finished and peopled, we worshipped him. No doubt you knew that
already, <BR></DIV>
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wasn't called manteion, either. Something else."<BR> </DIV>
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Quinn: In Typhon’s empire, Christianity has retreated to the downtrodden and
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is to say, it is mainly to be found among the chems.<BR> <BR></DIV>
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is a reasonable theory, Gerry. I respect it even while finding it less probably
than other <BR></DIV>
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As previously noted, The Outsider is persistently presented as a dark (not evil)
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has said Severian is an aspect of The Outsider and Severian himself has become a
dark <BR></DIV>
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not evil) god by the end of UotNS. (and when the dark gods don't come, their
"place is<BR></DIV>
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by a demon.")<BR> </DIV></DIV>
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White Fountain seems like the very opposite of darkness to me! </DIV></DIV>
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God of All Things (at least outside the Whorl) is the god of Light and Dark. of
outer space and of the blazing stars.</DIV>
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</DIV>Unless Severian is Jesus or his second coming, I can't see the Outsider as
our Jehovah. </DIV>
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<DIV>I can see him quite easily as a future concept of the Christian God, and
thus derived from Jehovah, albeit not understood precisely as Jehovah initially
was. </DIV>
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<DIV>- Gerry Quinn</DIV>
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