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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=severiansola@hotmail.com
href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com">Lee Berman</A> </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>> I do think The Increate mentioned in BotNS might be the
Judeo-Christian<BR>> god, Jaweh (or perhaps the God of the Trinity, which
some consider to be <BR>> different than Jaweh).<BR><BR>> On the
other hand, I don't think The Pancreator is the Christian God, nor <BR>> the
Outsider. They seem to be more along the lines of demiurge to me </DIV>
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<DIV>Why? Doesn’t PanCreator just mean ‘creator of all’ while Increate
means ‘existing without having created’? Both are attributes of the
Christian God (and the Muslim God, who is referenced in BotLS, so we know Islam
existed in Urth’s past too). I think PanCreator and Increate both refer to
the same monotheistic tradition, though it may well have evolved new scriptures
and iconography.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>> For those who think The Outsider is meant to be our "one, true
God" of all<BR>> universes I would pose a question:<BR>> <BR>>
Why is the Outsider repeatedly and strongly characterized as a dark
god?<BR><BR>I don’t see that he is. What examples do you have in
mind? Of course Silk does think of him as being linked to the darkness
beyond the Whorl; but Silk is trapped in a decaying microcosm, and the
only hope of salvation is to flee into that spangled darkness. </DIV>
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<DIV>The descriptions of the Outsider in the casts of characters at the start of
the latter three books are interesting:</DIV>
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<DIV>Lake: the minor god who enlightened Silk.</DIV>
<DIV>Calde: the god of the broken and disparaged, whose realm lies outside the
Whorl</DIV>
<DIV>Exodus: the god of gods</DIV>
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<DIV>Given that the writer is Wolfe, and taking into account other events such
as Silk’s vision of Jesus, I don’t think this leaves very much room for doubt
about the identity of the Outsider. (One might speculatively identify the
three descriptions with the Persons of the Trinity, but that is not essential to
the main reading.)</DIV>
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<DIV>- Gerry Quinn</DIV>
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