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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=severiansola@hotmail.com
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> Both sides use the alzabo glands, for example. <BR>> >Typhon
uses high technology<BR><BR>> I do not agree. Are you refering to the
alzabo-like substance <BR>> which transfers memories from the old Autarch to
Severian? My<BR>> interpretation of the story does not allow for this sort of
thing<BR>> to come from angelic B, F and O.</DIV></DIV>
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aren’t angels. For example, they engage in technology transfer with
Baldanders, who vivisects women. The alzabo essence as used by the
Autarchs is apparently benign [and the alzabo itself is described as having been
brought from a distant planet for the use and benefit of mankind, although
perhaps whoever said that was allowing him or herself a touch of irony – I don’t
remember. It may well be that they were initially confined to zoos or
farms. Like the inhumi, the alzabo would be simple animals if they did not
feed on people.]</DIV>
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size=3 face=Calibri></FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=Calibri><FONT
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> </FONT></FONT>Wolfe, in an interview, refers to the
alzabo ceremony as a <BR><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">>
</FONT></FONT>"diabolic eucharist" iirc. It seems clear that the memory
transfer<BR><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">>
</FONT></FONT>from autarch to autarch is the same sort of process and thus
is<BR><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">>
</FONT></FONT>equally diabolic and not the sort of thing which would come from
<BR><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> </FONT></FONT>angel
analogs. Fallen angels on the other hand...yes that is a likely<BR><FONT
face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">> </FONT></FONT>source.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f5f5f5">The Eucharist is also the same sort
of process as a diabolical Eucharist. Might not this be the appropriate
analogy</FONT>? There is certainly one analogical element, as in the
autarchial process, the memory donor voluntarily offers himself as a sacrifice,
which is not the case in the “diabolical Eucharist” of Vodalus and his
followers.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f5f5f5">> </FONT>p.s. Yes Typhon
uses high technology but they are ancient machines dating<BR><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f5f5f5">> </FONT>back to a time before Urth became
technologically backward and had to rely<BR><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f5f5f5">> </FONT>on the dribs and drabs provided by
limited cacogen contact. So his machines<BR><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f5f5f5">> </FONT>are not a part of this
discussion. </DIV>
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<DIV>That seems arbitrary. Both sides use whatever physical technology,
biological technology or other magic is to hand, in my opinion. That also
seems in accord with the other works of Wolfe, who does not, I think, consider
any form of technology intrinsically evil, but only the uses of it.</DIV>
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<DIV>- Gerry Quinn</DIV>
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