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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dstockhoff@verizon.net
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*From:* David Stockhoff <mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net><BR></DIV>
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> On 10/14/2011 12:49 PM, Gerry Quinn wrote:<BR>><BR></DIV>
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> > > If I ruled worlds with all those tools you list, and then you
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found out<BR></DIV>
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> > > I was psionic (without using a psionic helmet), would that not
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> > > you as significant?<BR></DIV>
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> > Not really, if psychic powers are reasonably common.<BR></DIV>
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> So, emphatically yes (because they are not).<BR>> ><BR></DIV>
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Aren’t they? Decuman seems to have them. So does Mucor. The Cumaean <BR></DIV>
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> > He does have strong arms and hands, strong enough to dangle
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> > over a cliff. But then again, he took those from Piaton.</DIV>
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> Which means he does not have them at all.<BR></DIV>
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Sure he has them!<BR></DIV>
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includes Piaton’s hands. If all had gone well, Piaton’s head would soon
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> I thought you said there was no difference! But again: "I sent
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> thought to far places." Why, do you think, he said that? Why did
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> have him say that?<BR>> He’s talking about telepresence, virtualities?
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to looking at satellite images etc.<BR></DIV>
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wrong with the way he said it? He thinks he’s talking to an oik who has
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<DIV><BR>> > It adds colour to our understanding of life in Typhon’s
empire, just <BR>> > as elsewhere we learn a little about life in
Ascia.<BR>> I am sure that is why Wolfe wrote the series: to provide color
and <BR>> information, like a white writer in the South after the Civil
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<DIV>You don’t think that fleshing out such imaginary societies is part of the
writer’s job?</DIV>
<DIV><BR>> > > I propose that the food Typhon feeds Severian is a ham
sandwich. Do you<BR>> > > concur?<BR>> > A kolpochoerus sandwich
is another example of something that is <BR>> > perfectly plausible,,. but
for wich we have no evidence one way or the <BR>> > other. All we know is
he gave Severian food of some sort. (If I had to <BR>> > guess, I’d say
something like the ready meals eaten by Silk and <BR>> > Mamelta on the
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<DIV>I’m finding your responses increasingly hard to compute, that’s for
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