<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial; font-size: small; border-collapse: separate; ">Lee Berman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com">severiansola@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</span></span></div>
I think The Mother and Great Scylla highly qualify as<br>Lovecraftian leviathan monstrosities and I find their presence to have a behind-the-scenes<br>impact on the story at least as great as Abaia and Erebus in BotNS.</span><div>
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</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Point happily taken.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">-DOJP<br></span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Lee Berman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com">severiansola@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Andrew Mason: "..Great Erebus, who has established his kingdom there, will<br>
soon be driven before them, with all his fierce, pale warriors. He will unite<br>
his strength with Abaia's, whos kingdom is in the warm waters..."<br>
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Thanks Andrew. I've always thought that was a key passage. I find it graphically<br>
illustrated by Maxellindis' uncle's story about the ship on Gyoll with voices<br>
coming from the water and the bottom roiled carrying giant pandours which seem to<br>
be a good semblance of "cold, pale warriors". In other words, the scene describes<br>
a partnership between Abaia and Erebus. That's why I recently asked James about his<br>
contention that Erebus is long dead. Personally, I suspect WOlfe intends these<br>
creatures, like their mythological analogs, to be essentially immortal. Like all<br>
(false?) gods, their power and survival depend the number (and fervency) of their<br>
followers.<br>
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>Daniel Peterson: I feel Wolfe is engaging with that kind of cosmic horror in the<br>
>background of the whole BotNS (in fact, I'm sad to find it pretty much missing in<br>
>the rest of the Solar Cycle - but perhaps the vampiric Inhumi make up for that).<br>
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I tend to disagree. Not that the Inhumi aren't a horror element. But I think the gods<br>
of the Whorl add an electronic ghostian version of the sea monsters in Long Sun (while<br>
the giant fish in Scylla's lake is closer to a real version of them).<br>
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But most especially in Short Sun, I find that trilogy bookended by a depictions of The<br>
Mother (partly via Seawrack) in in OBW and Great Scylla in RttW which are much more<br>
graphic views than anything we get in BotNS (except for giant Tzadkiel's pinching off a<br>
small version of herself). I think The Mother and Great Scylla highly qualify as<br>
Lovecraftian leviathan monstrosities and I find their presence to have a behind-the-scenes<br>
impact on the story at least as great as Abaia and Erebus in BotNS.<br>
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