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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>[I can't interleaf my response due to the
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I think you are over-interpreting here with regard
to the name - or half the name - of Spring Wind.. Why do any
scholars need to be involved at all? Somebody could have written down the
story just as it had evolved to when he heard it. Bird of the Woods and
Spring Wind might have got their names separately at any time during its
evolution. Stories about talking wolves carrying knives do not have the
air of a serious scholarly effort to uncover historical facts. Instead, I
think, some scholar of a chiliad or two ago wrote it down along with all the
other collected legends, just as it was told to him. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Mars might have become Spring Wind in various
ways. The wind is actually mentioned in the story as having two
interpretations. Perhaps Wolfe added that because the real reason he put
it in was that he wanted a not-easily recognisable alternate name for Mars, but
Spring was simply too short and obviously symbolic. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bird of the Wood and Early Summer sound like real
names, personalised and non-symbolic. Summer for a woman might not be too
bad (perhaps because it is used in our culture today, though it is recent), but
Spring for a man would instantly raise the question of what it means, and
Wolfe wants that question to be secondary to the actual story of the people
concerned. (As with everything else in his stories.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On the separate matter of Rigoglio, I think you are
right that there were separate visits, but surely there is every indication that
the visits were to the same time period?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- Gerry Quinn</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=crushtv@gmail.com href="mailto:crushtv@gmail.com">James Wynn</A>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: -moz-fixed; FONT-SIZE: 14px" lang=x-western
class=moz-text-plain wrap="true"><PRE wrap="">Andrew Mason:
I'm not sure why June is OK for Juno, but March is not OK for Mars.
(We're asking what a redactor of the myth might think. What
associations the name might have outside the story, what symbolic
value Wolfe might give it, is another question.)
</PRE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because the "redactors" are not sloppy. That's
the beauty of what Wolfe has done here. It is possible to imagine an
intelligent scholar translating Juno as "Early Summer" and Rhea Silvia as
"woodland bird" or Bird of the Woods. The name for the bird was chosen from
the name of the goddess.<BR>"March Winds" is possibly a fine stand-in for
Zephyr. But the word March is a direct translation of 'Mars'. Mars is not
associated with the _winds_ that arise during that time period. The object is
different for each one. Do you see that one of these things is not like the
others?<BR><BR>
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class=moz-text-plain wrap="true"><PRE wrap="">[--]</PRE><PRE wrap="">Is that relevant, though? The gap the characters are trying to
determine is between Rigoglio's departure (Typhon's time) and his
return (Severian's time) - both on Urth. What the Rajan's home time
is, on Blue, is another issue.</PRE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Is it necessary
that the period at which Rigoglio dies be the same as the one where they meet
Severian? Aren't those separate trips?<BR><BR>J.<BR>
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