<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">From: "Gerry Quinn" <<a href="mailto:gerryq@indigo.ie" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 204); ">gerryq@indigo.ie</a>></span><br>
<div><br>> But UotNS didn't exist at the time, and wasn't intended. In my view, there<br>> is no substantive evidence that either Typhon or Ymar play any role in the<br>> Tale of the Boy Called Frog. I have said that I could imagine in principle<br>
> that Spring Wind could contain echoes of Typhon, but I don't see any real<br>> indication that he does. Mars is Spring, and Spring Wind has all the<br>> characteristics of Mars. All you and James have to go on is 'Wind' (pun<br>
> unavoidable). My view is that "Spring" was simply too short and cryptic a<br>> name, too obviously fraught with symbolism. So Wolfe added the second word,<br>> which can allude both to the life-giving rain-bearing wind of Spring and the<br>
> destructive winds of war. The first was Early Summer's intention, the<br>> second was the interpretation of Spring Wind's men. And if there is any<br>> incorporarion of Typhon in the story, a pun on 'Typhoon' here is probably<br>
> the extent of it., i.e. a historical general whose name sounds a bit like<br>> 'Wind'. In general the history and behaviour of Spring Wind are those of<br>> Mars, cleaving quite close to the traditions of the original story - and not<br>
> at all those of Typhon.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Certainly the tale of Mars, Romuls, and Remus, lends a lot to "The Tale of the Boy Called Frog." I don't know whether or not Andre-Druissi first came up with this bizarre derivation for "Spring Wind," but Wolfe didn't need to make it up. "Spring Wind" refers to a completely different deity. I believe that Wolfe intends this connection. He certainly alludes to it in UotNS, and there may be a connection with "The Tale of the Master and His Student," you know, <i>Thesis</i>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Certainly these stories can have multiple meanings. I don't think they are simply there to fill the pages, and they may help in understanding the books they inhabit.</div><div><br></div><div>For a while, I thought Frog might refer to Severian and Fish to Baldanders. One being liminal and capable of living on land and underwater, the other eventually growing too large/evil to survive on land. It also solves the Severa problem if Baldanders is Severian's brother (or sister. . . Baldanders as transgendered: soon another), but I don't think there's enough textual evidence to make this connection. It's just a fun theory for now. Also, Borges's Baldanders has the tale of a fish. Some species of fish change their sex. So do some Frogs, but Severian is a known bisexual. Also consider Typhon. He could be Spring Wind, but in an allegorical sense he is only <i>trying</i> to be. Spring Wind has more heads, for instance. Severian is the one who succeeds in becoming an avatar of that deity.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Just some thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>-Nick</div>