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<DIV>James Wynn wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>> On 2/10/2011 10:38 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote:<BR></DIV>
<DIV>> It's impossible to fix up whatever you've done to the
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<DIV>> > But... we still have no real evidence that the VP can travel back
in time and move physical objects. </DIV>
<DIV>> <BR>> "Pike's Ghost" went to Pike's room, wore his callote, made
noise. The fighters with the Rajan on Green fought and killed inhumi there. If
the the Rajan can astral-travel, so can the Neighbors. It is certainly not a
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<DIV>There's no particular reason to believe that Pike's ghost was a time
traveller. Also, if Neighbours fought with Horn on Green there is no
reason to believe they were engaged in dream travel - it seems more likely that
they phased in from the parallel universe in which their Neighbour Whorl is
located. And they obviously didn't get to the Neighbour Whorl by dream
travel, because where are their sleeping bodies?</DIV>
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<DIV>[In fact, there no real reason to suppose that the Neighbours can dream
travel at all, or even sleep. All the dream travel we see in the story
involves humans and inhumi.]</DIV>
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<DIV><B>> > It makes Windcloud a liar when he says he and others boarded
the Whorl.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><BR>> Why?? Do you think "boarded" has to mean
walking up a ramp onto a ship as loved-one wave to you from the dock? Why can't
boarded mean "got onto the ship by astral travel? You can't just limit terms to
mean what you arbitrarily decide you want them to mean. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Even if the Vanished people can dream travel like
Silkhorn, they can't do it without already having been there, or having someone
with them who was there. Since the Whorl was still approaching their star,
no lander carrying humans could have yet arrived on Green or Blue. So they
must have gone there physically.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">We are also told the Vanished People left inhumi
on the Whorl - that doesn't seem possible with dreak travel as we know
it.. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">> > And even if for some reason the
Neighbours did not go to the Whorl as they said but inveigled some inhabitants
to Green by some mysterious time manipulation - it still does not explain how
Quetzal got <B class=moz-txt-star><SPAN class=moz-txt-tag>*</SPAN>into<SPAN
class=moz-txt-tag>*</SPAN></B> the Whorl. (And him flying to it is very
questionable too as it does not appear to have been orbiting very close to
Green.) </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><BR>> I don't believe there is any evidence on
this either way. Most of the time Green was far from Blue and then at certain
times of the year it was within a 100,000 miles. I'm sure the same was true for
the Whorl regarding Green and Blue.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I don't see why the Whorl would have gone in so
close when it was much further away at the time the landers were axtually
despatched at the end of BotLS. But anyway, the question still
remains. Let's assume Quetzal has somehow been born on Green, and that he
flies to the Whorl and lands on its rocky and desolate surface. How does
he get in?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">- Gerry Quinn</DIV>
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