<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM, David Stockhoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Sorry, not the Saxon rite, but the Saxons' rite. I don't know what it was called.<div class="im"><br>
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<br></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br>Depends on where the missionaries came from--but I would guess for the most part they were from France, hence the Gallican Rite.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Unquestionably churchmen of the time countenanced things that<br>
repulse us. But I'm very wary of truth-testing religious<br>
propositions by measuring them against the political positions<br>
currently in fashion; if anything, it seems to me that it<br>
ought to go the other way around. If there are timeless<br>
religious truths, then they should inform our political decisions.<br>
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As I stated, and as you know more than I do, Anselm's theology<br>
didn't last, at least officially. So it was truth-tested pretty<br>
quickly and found wanting. Our current "fashionable" positions<br>
don't really enter into it except as Wolfe might agree with them.<br>
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On the contrary--Anselm's /Cur Deus Homo /is still a key work in the development of Western soteriology, and it has never fallen out of favor. The Christus Victor theory has come back into style recently, but I wonder how much of that is due to modern squeamishness about sacrifice.<br>
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It most certainly has not fallen out of favor, but some of his more extreme ideas have, as noted. I'm getting it straight from the Catholic Encyclopedia, which your people wrote, not mine! ;)<br>
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What's the Victor theory?</blockquote><div><br>The Wikipedia article (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christus_Victor">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christus_Victor</a>) is a good summary of it. <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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And I am sure he would not approve of slaughtering Muslims for<br>
salvation, so....<br>
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No, most likely not, and neither do I. On the other hand, remind me how the Seljuk Turks came by their possession of the Holy Land...?<br>
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Was Wolfe also considering converting to Islam?<div class="im"><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br>Not that I know of. I was just being snarky about modern Western distaste for the Crusades (which I don't think were any less legitimate than the Muslim conquests which preceded them).<br clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Matt +<br><br>The gods have their own rules.<br> Ovid [Publius Ovidius Naso], (43 B.C. - A.D. c.18), Metamorphoses, IX, 500<br>