<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div><span><br>Andrew Mason wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Severian does tend to distinguish rather firmly between the time when</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>he was a boy (including the opening part of SOTT) and the time when</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>he was a man, even though only a year or so seems to have passed I do</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>sometimes wonder if another year or two went by without his noticing.</span><br></blockquote><span></span></div></blockquote><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br>On Jan 13, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Andrew Mason <<a href="mailto:andrew.mason53@googlemail.com">andrew.mason53@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Footnote to this: Severian says towards the end that he revived</span><br><span>Triskele two years before he had the Claw, though a simple reading of</span><br><span>the text would suggest it was at most a year and a half. This could</span><br><span>just be a slip, by either Severian or Wolfe, but another possibility</span><br><span>occurs to me. Triskele's chapter is strangely self-contained. Could it</span><br><span>be that it did not happen at the place where it comes in the narrative</span><br><span>- between Sev's meeting with Vodalus and his visit to the library -</span><br><span>but rather during an earlier winter?</span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Not by my reading. I think the text suggest it happens in the sequence the book presents.<div>In CLAW he recounts the story to Master Ash, in Foila's Request. In the context, Drotte is giving him orders, so Drotte is allready Captain of the apprentices.</div><div><br><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; line-height: 19px; ">“I was angry because I was the oldest, except for Drotte and Roche, and I thought the younger apprentices ought to have to do the work. I was poking at the clog with my stick when I saw him across the Old Yard. "</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; line-height: 19px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; line-height: 19px; ">Severian in the first telling sees himself as a man:</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; line-height: 19px; ">"</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; line-height: 19px; ">I had been a man (if I was truly a man) such a short time; I could not endure to think that I had become a man so different from the boy I had been.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; line-height: 19px; ">"</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; line-height: 19px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; line-height: 19px; ">In the second telling he gives that a second thought:</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; line-height: 19px; ">"</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; line-height: 19px; ">I was only a boy, I suppose, though I didn’t think so then."</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; line-height: 19px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-size: 19px; font-family: iBooks_Baskerville; line-height: 19px; ">~witz</span></div></body></html>