<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Lane Haygood <lhaygood@gmail.com><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b></font><br>
<div>>It may just be me, but I always assumed Sev's mask was a black/fuligin hood like medieval >executioners wore. <br><br>In Ch.XXVII of SotT, Severian says that his mask is leather stiffened with bone, and he snaps it open.<br><br>>On Jan 4, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Son of Witz <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>>>Luchadore! Ahhhh!<br><br>"Luchador" (although there's apparently a WWE wrestler known as "El Gran Luchadore"). I thank you and Dan'l for your attention to this matter. :-)<br><br>Incidentally, I have watched a part of a lucha libre bout, but I failed to recognize the style of mask. So I apologize to you and Dan'l and anyone else whose imagination I harmed.<br><br><div>>>Well, not bad really.</div>>>Cyriaca mentions his chin is
covered, because she guesses he has a cleft chin, and Sev says she's<br>>>wrong, and she says he is wrong. So whether he has a cleft chin or not
is ambiguous, but it is<br>>>covered, and she says she can see enough of his
lips, implying that they are partially covered.<br>>>One imagines slits.<br><br>One does. I'd forgotten that it covered his chin.<br><br><div>>>Anyway, it may not be obvious untill you actually try to draw Severian in garb, but with a fuligin >>cloak and fuligin pants and boots and mask, which should properly be rendered as pure black >>with no highlights (except possibly where the material is dirty or guilded, as in the master's >>ceremonial masks) leaves an artist with mostly a silhouette with bare chest, some bits of lip and >>flesh eyelids showing, but not much else.<br><br>It wasn't obvious, but it did eventually occur to me. However, does this apply to Severian's leather clothes (boots, mask,
probably baldric), or can they be just black? Not that that solves the
problem.<br><br>>>Plus it often looks like some fetish bondage superhero thing.<br><br>Just "often"?<br><br>>>All this goes away when I show chin and mouth. Suddenly there is a character whose emotions >>can be drawn to some degree.<br><br>Interesting.<br><br>>> Luckily, Severian actually whears the mask very seldom in the story. </div><div><br>I suppose the bad news is that those are scenes you might like to depict--the avern duel, the executions at Saltus, the encounter with Cyriaca.<br><br></div><div>>>Of course, that begs the question as to why picture him, on the hardcover, like some angsty >>bondage hero? That is the Severian he grew OUT of and did his best to leave behind. >>Thematically, it's almost rude to frame his book with him in garb. </div><div><br>Well, it was the starting point of the whole thing, and way cooler than the Autarch's robes, I suspect.<br><br>Jerry Friedman<br><br>On Jan 4,
2011, at 10:34 AM, Jerry Friedman <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jerry_friedman@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jerry_friedman@yahoo.com">jerry_friedman@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Son of Witz <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b></font><div>...<br><br></div><div>>At a point, an artist needs to divert from the text. I have been unable to draw a torturers mask with<br>>a chin that I like one bit.
Somehow, for me, the whole mouth and jaw need to be shown for<br>>aesthetic reasons.<br>...<br><br>I know part of his mouth is supposed to be hidden, but does his chin have to be? If not, how about some variation of this shape?<br></div><div><br><span><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.myspace.com/albino_bullfrog/photos/13129598#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A13129598">http://www.myspace.com/albino_bullfrog/photos/13129598#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A13129598</a>}</span></span><br><br>Jerry Friedman</div></div></div>
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