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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You mention three points in favour of Mamelta being
Kypris, or Silk's biological mother, or both. Possibly a few more can be
found too. But none of them seem very definitive:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The first can easily be interpreted as just
sleep imagery, lots of faces and people running together.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In the second, while it can certainly be argued
that Silk's dream and Mamelta's name are tips to the reader, it is inescapable
that Silk himself is thinking of his </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial>non-biological mother, and therefore not Mamelta. (Also, he
does fall asleep before he meets Mamelta.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In the third, it may be that Kypris is - in Silk's
thoughts - representing all women.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As against these, we must weigh the evidence of
what Mamelta actually does and says. Surely these speak very heavily
against the notion that Mamelta is Kypris? Kypris was Typhon's favourite
courtesan. She speaks in a very characteristic voice, which Mamelta does
not share. Kypris herself says that she was scanned and her previous
self remained on Urth. Mamelta is a computer technician who was
forced on board the Whorl. She dreams of returning home to her
mother, brothers and pet parrot. She remembers the Monarch and his family,
but those memories do not seem intimate. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Could all this be reconciled with her being
Kypris? Only if one assumes that Typhon has for some perverse reason had
her memory and personality wiped and replaced by another's, and loaded her on
the whorl as a sleeper! Why on Urth would he do such a thing?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- Gerry Quinn</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=marcaramini@yahoo.com href="mailto:marcaramini@yahoo.com">Marc
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>Well, Gerry, this depends how much credence
you put in dreams and throw away comments in the text. Here are
some quotes that outright say Kypris is Mamelta, and I infer that Kypris
is just possessing Hyacinth.</DIV>
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<DIV>vision on page 534 of Litany of the Long Sun<BR><BR>"the woman who
slept in the glass tube, the tube in<BR>which he himself now slept
beside Chenille, who was<BR>Kypris, who was Hyacinth, who was Mamelta,
with<BR>Hyacinth's jet-black hair,"<BR><BR>Chenille and Hyacinth were
both possessed by Kypris -<BR>and since Mamelta has Hyacinth hair, and
Kypris had<BR>Hyacinth hair, and they are all related here, I<BR>figured
it would be neat if Mamelta were Kypris. Then<BR>I found this bit of
niftiness: p 424<BR><BR>"But quite soon now, as the swift floater sailed
over<BR>a landscape grown liquid, his mother would come to<BR>kiss him
good-night; he liked to be awake for it, to<BR>say distinctly, 'good
night to you, too Mama,' when<BR>she left. He resolved not to sleep
until she came"<BR><BR>Here, Silk resolves not to sleep until his mommy
comes<BR>(here, it is Mama). Well, who does he meet in the
next<BR>chapter? Mamelta! And later, what do we get in<BR>Epiphany
of the Long Sun (Calde,actually) on page 220:<BR>"The Outsider was the
dancing man on a toy, and the<BR>water the polished toy-top on which he
danced with<BR>Kypris, who was Hyacinth and Mother, too."<BR><BR>Kypris
is Mother! and she is probably Mamelta, too. <BR>Now I understand
why the Mamelta scene is so familiar<BR>- it is like the Dorcas scene in
Shadow of the<BR>Torturer - except instead of Grandma, we get
Silk's<BR>mom! In the scene where he leaves his body, I am<BR>certain
that the tall man with blue eyes is Pas, and <BR>the mother (not the one
who raised him) was Mamelta.<BR><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 12/21/10, Gerry
Quinn <I><gerryq@indigo.ie></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Gerry Quinn <A href="mailto:gerryq@indigo.ie">gerryq@indigo.ie</A><BR>
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size=2 face=Arial>I don't think Mamelta fits the part of Kypris
well. She seems to remember an ordinary life on Urth.
She doesn't speak like Kypris. She gives no evidence of
special concern with her appearance. She is trained as a
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Without any obvious evidence to vthe
contrary, I assume she was just an ordinary Sleeper, one of an
indeterminate but large number which may run into
millions.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>During her beief appearance does she give
any clues to suggest she is someone special? She was awakened by
Mucor, certainly, but she was not the first to be so
awakened.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- Gerry Quinn</FONT></DIV>
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