<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I stand by my presumption that Urth and Earth are the same planet but created during different Divine Years.</div><div><br></div><div>However, I'll make one little bone... it is never articulated as a "painting", as far as I can remember. And Rudesind is the "picture" cleaner, meaning many of these may be and probably are, photographs.</div><div><br></div><div>...ryan</div><br><div><div>On Dec 17, 2010, at 3:11 PM, DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">It's NOT a contemporary painting---it doesn't exist in this universe, as far as anyone here has been able to discover. Therefore, it is a product of Briah in Severian's past.<br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 12/17/10, Son of Witz <i><<a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Son of Witz <<a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: (urth) Key to the Universe<br>To: "The Urth Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:urth@lists.urth.net">urth@lists.urth.net</a>><br>Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 12:52 PM<br><br><div id="yiv2037198757"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; line-height: 15px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px;
padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; "><span class="yiv2113175957Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 19px; ">Third. I've really been chewing over the Apollo moon landing painting.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; "><span class="yiv2113175957Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 19px; ">We all seem to take it on face value that it is Neil or Buzz, an obvious nod to the extreme distance of time between Urth and Earth. But really, the text does not disambiguate this depiction, so we
have to admit that it may NOT ACTUALLY be a painting of the Apollo Moon Landing. It may be a photo of an Urth empire astronaut pre-moon forrestation. Wolfe may be giving us a double mind-fuck!</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; "><span class="yiv2113175957Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 19px; "><br style="line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; "></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; line-height: 1.2em; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial;
outline-color: initial; "><span class="yiv2113175957Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 19px; ">I used to assume that this painting and a green moon clearly indicated that Earth was in Urth's past, whithin the creation of Briah. I don't think that is a necessary conclusion now. If a verdant lune is a creation of urthlings, it is conceivable that without their tendings, the moon could go back to being barren, and thus we would see our barren moon despite it once having had a forrest.</span></div></span></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table>_______________________________________________<br>Urth Mailing List<br>To post, write <a href="mailto:urth@urth.net">urth@urth.net</a><br>Subscription/information: <a href="http://www.urth.net">http://www.urth.net</a></blockquote></div><br></body></html>