<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Is it also possible that this is a nod to the different aspects of the Trinity that people have been throwing around? We have two gods whose names are forgotten: the Outsider, who might be God the Father. We also have a Son, perhaps Christ...but we get that all mixed up with the remnants of Greek myths as well because of all the mish-mash that Pas made.<br><br>The real point of the passage, though, might not be that we're to divine some esoteric relationship between the Greeks and the "real" gods, as has been hashed out. Instead, it might just be to suggest that the real gods (i.e., God and Christ) have been forgotten -- and not having proper names is primarily a way to underline that symbolically.<br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:
12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> The Urth Mailing List <urth@lists.urth.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, December 16, 2010 8:00:17 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> (urth) Dionysus and the Outsider<br></font><br>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Sorry, I didn't read a lot of the posts about Dionysus, so I may be duplicating something someone else said. But people are saying that the Outsider was the son of Thyone, that is, Dionysus. I read the passage quite differently. Silk says there are two gods whose names are unknown: the son of Thyone and the Outsider. So they're two different gods. They're mentioned together and have anonymity in common, though, so some might draw conclusions from that.<br><br><span style="visibility: visible;" id="search"><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>"He [Silk's instructor] also said that Thyone's son was the only god whose name we don't know. It was years before I realized that he'd been wrong. We speak of the Outsider<em></em>, but it's obvious that 'the
Outsider<em style="font-style: italic;"></em><span style="font-style: italic;">'</span> can't be his name — that it's an epithet, a nickname .</span>"<br><br><span><span><a target="_blank" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=-iCIWy8bPccC&pg=PA125#v=onepage&q&f=false">http://books.google.com/books?id=-iCIWy8bPccC&pg=PA125#v=onepage&q&f=false</a></span></span><br><br>That is, the instructor was wrong because he'd forgotten the /other/ god whose name was unknown.<br><br>Jerry Friedman<br><br></div><br>
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