Christ is indeed "Very God of Very God," but Christ didn't alight upon himself in the form of a dove at his baptism, nor did he speak by ventriloquism "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." The Persons of the Trinity aren't pseudopods of God-stuff extended at need to fulfill functions; they are separate persons who are all of the same substance (substantia, ousia). The Son was incarnate as Jesus; neither the Father nor the Holy Ghost were ever incarnate. Christ is God; the Father is God; the Holy Ghost is God. But the Father is not Christ, nor is Christ the Holy Ghost, nor is the Holy Ghost the Father.<br>
<br>We can say that the Outsider is the God we find in Christianity, but to say that he is Christ makes assumptions about the correspondence of Christianity to Briah that we don't have data to support. An argument might be made that the Conciliator is Christ, although again the details of Urthian religion are a bit too sketchy to make that very convincing. On the other hand, Christ's mission was certainly conciliatory; to repair, by means of his sacrifice, the broken relationship between God and Man.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Son of Witz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, but the Trinity is a unity, and thus makes my statement true, no? We can equally say that the Outsider = Christ = God. Am I wrong?<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Dec 15, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Matthew Weber <<a href="mailto:palaeologos@gmail.com" target="_blank">palaeologos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Christ is used exclusively in Christianity to refer to the second Person of the Trinity. Nobody refers to the Father or the Holy Ghost as Christ.<br><br>Here's a handy photographic mnemonic : <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/aozuas/2404074070/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/aozuas/2404074070/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/aozuas/2404074070/</a><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Son of Witz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank">Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Are you forgetting the tripartite nature of Christ?</div><div>The Father, The son, and The Holy Ghost. Christ is an aspect of God and is used by Christians interchangeably with God.</div><div>
<br>On Dec 15, 2010, at 1:20 PM, DAVID STOCKHOFF <<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net" target="_blank">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite">I'd say <span style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">Outsider=God was about as unambiguous as Gene Wolfe gets.</span><br>
<br>--- On <b>Wed, 12/15/10, Son of Witz <i><<a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank">Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Son of Witz <<a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank">Sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: (urth) christ, already<br>To: "The Urth Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:urth@lists.urth.net" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:urth@lists.urth.net" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:urth@lists.urth.net" target="_blank">urth@lists.urth.net</a>><br>
Date: <a>Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 4:12 PM</a><br><span style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px;">I don't know about Dionysus. I need to read those again, but I thought that Outsider=Christ was about as unambiguous as Gene Wolfe gets.</span></blockquote>
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