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The spear that pierced Christ's side. <br>
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Pike as spear, not fish. Of course. I had to train
myself to think "fish" just to learn the naming
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James Wynn-<br>
> Another example of how one can live in their own world
and think it is universal. <br>
>Probably, it came easy to me because it is also so
unnatural for me<br>
>to associate "pike" with fish. Not a common American
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Common in Ohio where I grew up, though anglers were more
likely to shorten "northern pike" into "northern". And
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I'm a Buckeye too and I'd never heard the term pike or northern as a
child. But after looking at wikipedia page on this, I had heard of a
gator or jackfish (but then I didn't fish much from Lake Erie in the
70s). Yeah, The Sword in the Stone was where i first learned the
term "pike". And the name for the fish, comes from the spear.<br>
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font-size: 12pt;">Jerry Friedman-<br>
By the way, if I'd remembered the story of Jesus being
pierced in the side well enough to remember the water, I
might have wondered whether Blood had a brother named Water
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Really? Hm...well, it's just that water and blood came out together
and it seemed pretty emphatic that she only got pregnant once. And
it seemed likely since Wolfe likes twins. I guess it's neither here
nor there since no likely candidate presented himself-- someone
fiftyish with a five letter name associated strongly with
water...like "ceybu" (for water buffalo) or "crassipes" (for water
hyacinth) or maybe even a name that actually *means* water. But I
did really expect a twin to turn up. Honestly, based solely on their
relationship alone, I would have expected that guy to be Silk, but,
again that doesn't work out.<br>
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<pre wrap="">Andrew Mason-
I also see it as hard to doubt (though of course Wolfe had already
spoken when I read it). There are quite a few clues - for instance,
Mint running away from Silk lest the same thing happen to her as
happened to Rose.
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I'm not convinced Mint knew about Blood. Actually, I rather think
she didn't.<br>
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I also find the 'bring a woman' thing less puzzling that you do - but
I'll probably bring that up when I come to that point in my
re-reading.
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Cool!<br>
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On the symbolic level, though, I wouldn't have made the same
connection as you, because I associate roses more with Mary than with
Jesus - and I would suspect that Wolfe does too.</pre>
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Well, there is that prophecy regarding Mary in Luke 2 "And a sword
will pierce your own soul too." If only it the father's name were a
sword instead of a spear, we'd have it nailed. But, I don't believe
Wolfe associates roses with just one thing. He famously associates
them with the sun. I presume he associates it with a whorl. And
Rose, with her associates Mint and Marble (myrtle) is associated
colonization as well as with death. There's a twisted demonic
Mary-thing going on with Rose, though, I admit.<br>
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