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On 12/9/2010 3:39 PM, Andrew Mason wrote:
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Andrew Mason-
Objections to what? I'm not objecting to the idea that inhumi are
connected with Dionysus. I was only questioning your specific
statement that 'we agree that he's is the god of the "vine", not just
grape vines.I do not believe specific species of vines mattered to
Wolfe for this association one little bit'. That sounded as though you
thought Dionysus was traditionally venerated as the god of climbing
plants generally, and that Wolfe understood things this way, and it
did not occur to him that 'god of the vine' has anything specific to
do with grapes. I think Gerry read you that way as well. If you did
not mean this, I apologise.
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What I meant was that <b>for purposes of literary allusion</b>, all
that mattered to Wolfe is that Dionysus is called "the god of the
vine". Yet, the term "liana" was still deftly chosen because could
very well be used to refer to grape vines as it is not a grouping
but a description of the way a plant grows. Obviously, Wolfe knows
and cares that Dionysus is the god of the grape vine, because for
the inhumi, their wine is blood. I thought I'd made that clear, but
I guess not.<br>
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Looking back at Gerry's original objection I would be very surprised
that that is what he is getting at. In his 12/7 post that started
all this he responded thus:<br>
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Me: "Additionally, I have argued that the very word "inhuma" was
chosen for its association with Dionysus, the god of the vine. There
are undeniable, although unexplained, associations between the
inhumi and vines."<br>
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Gerry: "If the inhumi are associated with vines, those are the
lianas on Green, which as far as I know do not yield grapes."<br>
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Well, so what? Yet, it seemed to make a great difference to Gerry. I
supposed the lianas would have to have fat purple humans growing
from them for it to be a valid literary allusion for him. But, you
might be right. It could be a big misunderstanding.<br>
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I am sure Wolfe knows that this traditional title of Dionysus does
have to do with grapes. This, obviously, does not limit what he does
with the idea. A writer who can leap from 'thesis' to 'Theseus' and
from 'Minotaur' to 'Monitor' can certainly leap from one sense of
'vine' to another.
Lee Berman wrote:
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Formally, the word, "dissertation" is most likely to be used for the Ph.D. paper while
"thesis" is most common for the final Masters project. That's my experience.
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Yes, that's what I had in mind. In Britain it's the other way round. I
have heard Americans saying 'Oh, you don't mean a dissertation, you
mean a thesis' or vice versa often enough to assume this was
universal. But thanks, it's good to know in fact usage can be more
flexible.
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Gerry Quinn wrote:
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Nitpick: Dionysus. 'Dionysius' is a human name, one of whose bearers
was a Christian saint.
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