<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I completely agree with this. Inire has many roles, and as you say, he is not the only one to do so, by far.<div><br></div><div>And yes, he is the true, let's say, "controller" of the Commonwealth, whether he has lived 1000 years or not.</div><div><br></div><div>And the very presence of his absence is a clue to his off-stage importance, as I have argued.</div><div><br></div><div>And he is not a shapeshifter.</div><div><br></div><div>Why, Lee, I've never seen you summarize your theory so succinctly and directly! ;)<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 12/8/10, Lee Berman <i><severiansola@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Lee Berman <severiansola@hotmail.com><br>Subject: (urth) Dionysus<br>To: urth@lists.urth.net<br>Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 11:35
AM<br><br><div class="plainMail"><br><br>David Stockhoff: <br>>On 12/8/2010 3:43 AM, Lee Berman wrote:<br>> I consider the argument: "An alien has been shown to be a shapeshifter; Fr. Inire is an alien;<br>> >Therefore Fr. inire is a shapeshifter" to be invalid. Do you see why?<br> <br>Argh, my worst nightmare realized! Bad enough to see Gerry hack, shrivel and distort my Inire theory<br>down to one sentence in a reductio ad absurdum attemtpt. Now his shrunken troll of misrepresentation is <br>attributed in quotes to me. Horrors!<br> <br>J/K David, its all in good fun.<br> <br>Still, I think it is worth noting that nobody here would make the above argument or your Odin/Thor argument, <br>except as strawman strategy to build then knock down<br><br> <br>Shapeshifting is an interesting but not central componenent of my Father Inire theory. Ancient Greek gods did<br>it so maybe that was a model. But the theory could instead rely on
something like Pan's ability to create a <br>legion of copies of himself to do his deeds. I think the monkey-stuff is a deliberate misdirection on the Pan <br>connection. If Wolfe had made Inire to look goat-like, and had various goat-like characters appearing in the<br>text would anyone, even Gerrry, have serious doubts about a Pan connection? So instead Wolfe uses several <br>levels of concealment: Faunus->Inuus->monkey.<br> <br>But it doesn't really matter. That is window-dressing. The theory don't really need the mythological <br>component because there is a relevant, observable theme in the main text.<br><br> <br>It starts when Severian realizes the whoremaster is really the Autarch. Later he learns that the Autarch is <br>also the third bursar and several other roles within The Commonwealth. Theme- leaders take on multiple roles<br>within their domain. Since nobody got this, Wolfe illustrated the principle in more elaborate,
colorful<br>fashion with Tzadkiel. He is Ship Captain. But he is also apport, grunt, sailor, etc.<br> <br>The entire Commonwealth recognizes the Autarch as the ruler. He sits on a throne. He knows the Secret Words. <br>His face is on the coins and common folk pepper their speech with silly veneration for him, elevating even his <br>sweat and urine. Even Father Inire showers Severian with really extensive, divine praise in the introduction of <br>his note.<br> <br>But, with remembrance that goat god Pan/Dionysus has been conflated by Christianity with Satan, we must<br>keep in mind his role as the Great Deceiver, the silver-tongued devil. Gene Wolfe's voice in now in my head and <br>(with sincere apologies) I find I must speak in his voice:<br> <br> <br>"Stop Being Deceived! The clues are all in the text. Father Inire is the true 1000 year ruler of the Commonwealth."<br> <br> <br>His faux religious name and status as humble vizier should send up red
flags. He is Rasputin. He is Cardinal<br>Richelieu. He is the true power behind the throne and the Autarch is merely a replacable a person drawn from the<br>populace as needed. (Q.Why is it that only Cyriaca, not even Thecla, is able to realize this. A. Who was her <br>unnamed, rare book-loving uncle who taught her the secret history of the universe?). <br> <br>We, like Severian, are very impressed with the coolness of the legion of memories. But it is a just a bauble. <br>The memories fade and are mostly of butlers and scullery maids and honey stewards. As we see in UotNS, the memories <br>even of the previous autarch are of minimal use. <br> <br>In Urth, Severian claims Father Inire was his only friend when he was Autarch. What happened to Drotte and Roche and <br>other possibilities like Guasacht? What about Valeria? I think a puppet master is aware of the benefits of cutting all <br>strings but his own.<br> <br>As the true ruler of the
Commonwealth, even without seeing the little old man/monkeys here and there, we should <br>EXPECT to see various versions of Inire in various roles, based on the example given to us by The Autarch and<br>Tzadkiel. As an alien with superhuman powers we can expect him to be much better at it than the Autuarch, though<br>not quite as good as Tzadkiel. And, in my opinion, that is exactly what we "see".<br> <br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>Urth Mailing List<br>To post, write <a ymailto="mailto:urth@urth.net" href="/mc/compose?to=urth@urth.net">urth@urth.net</a><br>Subscription/information: <a href="http://www.urth.net" target="_blank">http://www.urth.net</a><br></div></blockquote></div></td></tr></table>