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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Mr Thalassocrat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thalassocrat08@gmail.com">thalassocrat08@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Andrew Mason <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew.mason53@googlemail.com" target="_blank">andrew.mason53@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>I do think Cyriaca's story is quite important, by the way, because it<br>explains why, though the physical distance between our time and<br>
Severian's is enormous, the cultural distance at times seems strangely<br>small. The various bits of cultural inheritance haven't been handed<br>down continuously; they were returned to humans by computers just a<br>
few thousand years before Severian.<br></blockquote>
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<div>... and then the knowledge was collected by Typhon, perhaps, in the library. This is an observation which might also help to explain some of seeming anachronisms between BOTNS and SS/LS. Languages and writings from "our" time are present on the Whorl not because they were current in Typhon's day, but because Typhon's cultural archeaologists put them there, </div>
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<div>They didn't mine the past just for the Chras Writings etc, but for whole chunks of language and culture. So eg the "Dorp culture" doesn't indicate some totally unlikley survival of things Dutch into the deep future, but rather an artificial reconstruction of deep-past Dutchness by the Whorl project team.</div>
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<div>I like this; it has the right whiff of megalomania. </div>
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<div>Perhaps every town culture on the Whorl was just a megalo-whimsical museum reconstruction by the Whorl team, having no roots at all in the Urth of Typhon's day. </div>
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<div>Viron's odd naming convention was just something they made up. </div>
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<div>Pity the poor sleepers!</div>
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<div>FWIW, I tried to find the meaning for the names of all the Dorpians given in the IGJ listing, using Google translate and the Dutch version of wikipedia; below.</div>
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<div>Not all of them are bizarre or implausible, but overall I think the list is consistent with hypotheses that (a) Dorpian names come from some list of Dutch words that the Whorl team found somewhere & as a body don't have much to do with names that a real Dutch culture would use; and (b) the Dorpians quite possibly don't even speak Dutch & have no idea what these names "mean".</div>
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<div>Aanvagen: Swept (mistress of house in which SilkHorn "jailed")</div>
<div>Azijn: Vinegar (legerman)</div>
<div>Beroep: Occupation, trade (husband of Aanvagen)</div>
<div>Cijfer: Digit, numeral (wife of Wijzer)</div>
<div>Hamer: Hammer (judge)</div>
<div>Leeuw: Lion (legerman)</div>
<div>Nat: liquor, wet, soggy (magnate)</div>
<div>Parel: Pearl, bead (servant)</div>
<div>Strik: Bow, trap, knot (captain)</div>
<div>Taal: Language (advocate)</div>
<div>Vadsig: Lazy, slothful (servant)</div>
<div>Vent: Fellow, chap (advocate)</div>
<div>Versregal: Should be Versregel? = Verse, line (Strik's wife)</div>
<div>Vlug: Fast (legerman)</div>
<div>Wapen: Weapon (son of tavern owner)</div>
<div>Wijzer: Pointer, clock hand (captain)</div>
<div>Ziek: Sick, diseased (merchant)</div>
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<div>I don't have enough interest at this point to try to go into "Gaoan-culture" names, but I'd just also note along these lines "He-pens-sheep" as an unlikely name for a hunter.</div>
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