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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Dave Tallman - I agree that astral projection/dream travel can involve time travel, and that the "Patera Pike" who appeared to Silk was in fact the Rajan with his dream Oreb (now normal size with Scylla gone).</div></pre>
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I think we should be looking for him elsewhere in the story, as
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I'm less convinced about the time-looped astral form of the dead Fava becoming Hyacinth. Other than her possible light weight it seems like the evidence is mostly negative -- references to Hyacinth's parents and siblings that have to be explained away. There's an even more specific one from the Ansible Cloud Chamber 77:
</div><div><p style="font-family: Verdana,Trebuchet,Arial,Helvetica; color: black; font-size: 10pt; white-space: normal;">26. <i>Who was Hyacinth's mother?</i> – I don't know how to answer that. She was not a character you have known in some other connection, if that's what you mean. She was the wife of Hyacinth's father, and the mother of her sisters and brothers.</p></div></pre>
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I believe this is a puckish answer. Hyacinth has at least two
"mothers" mentioned in the story. Here Wolfe is referring to the
human one.<br>
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As for her supposed siblings. It makes no sense. Not one of them
were at her wedding. Not one of them is named. And after she marries
the CALDE, not one of them tries to reconnect, as far as we know.
Any lottery winner can tell you how peculiar that is. Heck, we even
know the name of _Auk's_ brother. <br>
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I think all the answers we think Wolfe didn't address in the text,
he did. But I believe this extra-textual answer about Hy's mom was
worse than no answer. And Wolfe did promise to do his best to be
evasive in answering these questions.<br>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A few other objections that come to mind:<p style="font-family: Verdana,Trebuchet,Arial,Helvetica; color: black; font-size: 10pt; white-space: normal;">
1) Fava is repeatedly mentioned as being light-haired or blonde. Hyacinth's hair is jet black.</p></div></pre>
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Her wig is long and light brown. _I think_ there is only one mention
of her hair color is in dream-travel. If there are more, you're
right, it becomes very problematic.<br>
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"And even Fava had changed only subtlety, for she had always seemed
and apple-cheeked child just short of puberty, with long light brown
hair and a winning smile."<br>
~ In Green's Jungles, chap XIII<br>
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It all depends on the emphasis of the words. If you read it "for she
had ALWAYS seemed" then this is the way she looked and the Rajan
does not tell us specifically how she changed. If you read it "for
she had always SEEMED" then he is telling us in some way how she
changed.<br>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p style="font-family: Verdana,Trebuchet,Arial,Helvetica; color: black; font-size: 10pt; white-space: normal;">2) Dream spirits don't eat, and derive no nourishment from eating. I think we see Hyacinth eat, though I would have to dig up the reference.</p></div></pre>
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[Hyacinth said] "I don't like not walking. My thighs are getting
fat, I can feel it."<br>
Maytera Marble overtook them. "They can't be, dear, you don't<br>
eat anything. I'm worried about you."<br>
Exodus, chap XVI<br>
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I'm not sure that dream-travellers CAN'T eat. Only that they don't
need to. And, anyway, as an inhuma, Hy would be quite good at
pretending to eat (just as the Rajan says he is). But Marble is not
fooled it seems.<br>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>3) As an already-dead dream spirit, Hyacinth would be effectively immortal. There would be no death to distress Silk so that he would need the help of Horn's spirit to stay alive himself.
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Well, Hy didn't die of old age. As Roy pointed recently, it had only
been some 20 years after her marriage. <br>
Dream-travellers CAN die, however. They can be killed and buried
like anyone else. When the traveller returns however, he is mute and
amnesiac. His soul has been lost. But Hy-as-Fava would have no body
to return to. How did Hyacinth die? Once again, Orpine lurks in the
back of my mind. Not that Hy was murdered in Viron, as far as I
know. But Silk has a knife at her wake--and based on the "scratches"
on his wrist-- he killed himself with it. That Silk himself murdered
her is on the table considering the Rajan's murder of Jahlee (I know
how revolting that thought is, and I only offer it as an example of
how little we know).<br>
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