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On 8/10/2010 12:18 PM, DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote:
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--- On <b>Tue, 8/10/10, James Wynn <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:crushtv@gmail.com"><crushtv@gmail.com></a></i></b>
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>>Severian says that the power to
travel the corridors of Time is the same for escaping the universe.<br>
>><br>
>> "The
hammer they wield is their ability to draw their servants back, down
the corridors of time,<br>
>> and to send them hurtling forward to the future.
(This power is in essence the same as that<br>
>> which permitted them to
evade the death of their universe--to enter the corridors of time<br>
>>is to
leave the universe.)"<br>
>><br>
>> If one had to travel to the beginning or
end of the universe to access Yesod [assuming I<br>
>> am understanding the
propose model], then you would have to have a separate method<br>
>> of Time
travel to reach the beginnings and endings of universes.<br>
<br>
>That's a good point. But then there is ship-travel, and then there
is other time travel. <br>
><br>
>Or
so I assume, since the green man does not ride the ship. If I
understand correctly, <br>
>Severian uses both methods at different times.<br>
<br>
Well, the Severian says here that the technology is the same. Tzakiel
(a Hierogrammate) IS the ship, right?<br>
So unless Tzakiel has a method of travel that is different from his
brethern... <br>
<br>
Essentially, as Sev paints it, in order to travel through time, you
have to have the ability to exit your universe into the meta-universe.
This defeats the Laws of Relativity.<br>
<br>
The truth is, I really like this model as I understand it: that
Hierogrammates
escaped their universe to the next one in line...that there is no
"other", just a succession of universes through which Tzadkiel travels
as though along a chain. I'd like for Wolfe to have employed it, but I
don't see how it can be managed given what Severian says in _Citadel_
both in the passage above and this one here:<br>
<br>
"I was not told what became of the Humanity of that cycle. Perhaps it
survived until the implosion of the universe, then perished with it.
Perhaps it evolved beyond our recognition. But the beings Humanity had
shaped into what men and women wished to be escaped, opening a passage
to Yesod, the universe higher than our own, where they created worlds
suited to what they had become. *From that vantage point they look both
forward and back*, and in so looking they<br>
have discovered us."<br>
<br>
The use of the term "vantage point" implies something apart...but it
does not
not require it, I admit. However, that they looked forward and back
implies that
they did not escape only one
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<![endif]--><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";">manvantara
away. Why look for Severian in Abbadon if they had just come from
there? And if they could leap-frog universes...well, the model begins
to lose it's elegance.<br>
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u+16b9<br>
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