<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">No, the two Severians seems fairly obvious to me. In the Atrium of Time, he overlaps himself in two times, from what I gathered. Here is what Severian as Autarch asks of Rudesind...<div><br></div><div>"We only want to say that if a young man with an errand comes past again while you are on your ladder, you are to send him to Master Ultan. That is our order."</div><div><br></div><div>It sort of means the story we've been told/sold is non-linear, and that the Severian at the end of Citadel exists before the Severian at the beginning of Shadow, no?</div><div><br></div><div>...ryan</div><div><br></div><div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:11 AM, John Watkins wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Ryan Dunn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ryan@liftingfaces.com">ryan@liftingfaces.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im"><br>. It would mean he is in collusion with Inire, and it also reenforces the Severian prior being a wanderer of the corridor of time. Later in the story, doesn't he tell Rudesind to give his future self directions to the library if he comes by? If so, might that not be Rudesind relaying a message to a younger Severian, who was Autarch?<br>
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<div>I like this, because it fits with what we know about Rudesind (he delivers messages for Inire).</div>
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<div>I'm not sure that we <em>know </em>Severian was sending a message to his younger self. He really just says basically "Well, send other boys along the same route," which is consistent with him just telling Rudesind he did the right thing and to keep up the good work.</div>
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<div>But that ties into my broader skepticism about the "other" Severian. We treat the "two Severian" theory as canon, when really it comes from Severian's own musings at the end of Citadel. I think some of the chief phenomena the theory was mean to explain (the tomb, Apu Punchau) are shown, to some extent, in Urth to be explainable by the time travel of a single Severian.</div>
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<div>But who knows.</div>
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<div class="im"><font color="#888888">...ryan<br></font></div>
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