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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:09 PM, David Stockhoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">But who's the archon of this universe? Inire, appropriately mysterious and aged as a Titan, or Tzadkiel, violator of all known laws of scale and appearance? Is one ruler below and the other ruler above?<br>
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<div>Maybe it's as simple as this: Inire is the archon of Urth and Tzadkiel is the archon of Briah.</div>
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<div>On the pure level of plot, I think we can conclude that Tzadkiel's agenda and Inire's are pretty similar. Tzadkiel wants Briah's human beings to evolve into Hieros. He doesn't care which line of humanity does it, and he doesn't need them all to turn into Hieros--he just needs some Hieros. </div>
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<div>Inire wants the humans on Urth to stick around. Because of the black hole in the sun, that requires propitiating Tzadkiel. So his long-range goal (what the good folks at TvTropes.org would call a "Xanatos gambit") is to produce through the Autarchy a savior figure who will convince Tzadkiel that Urth is worth keeping around. He's advancing Tzadkiel's goals, although maybe for his own reasons. This raises two questions:</div>
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<div>1) Does Inire care about turning humans into Hieros?</div>
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<div>2) Are there Inire-esque figures on other human-populated planets? Is there a crooked old Hierodule winding his way to Green or Blue even as the Short Sun ends?</div>
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<div>I dunno.</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>The Titans rebelled against Time. Hmm...<br><br>John Watkins wrote:<br>
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<div class="im"><br><br>On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM, James Wynn <<a href="mailto:crushtv@gmail.com" target="_blank">crushtv@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:crushtv@gmail.com" target="_blank">crushtv@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br><br> It appears that Severian is, potentially, not the only one<br> with parallels to Christ.<br><br>Heh.<br> Inire.<br> Severian.<br> Thecla.<br> There's another trinity for you. Quite literally the father who created the Autarchy and brought it to its end, his (presumably figurative) son, the scion of the father's ages of planning and manipulation (including possibly genetic manipulation?) and the pretty-literal ghost.<br>
I kind of like the notion that, contra Witz, Severian is the logos of Inire, not the Increate.<br> <br> u+16b9<br><br> _______________________________________________<br> Urth Mailing List<br></div> To post, write <a href="mailto:urth@urth.net" target="_blank">urth@urth.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:urth@urth.net" target="_blank">urth@urth.net</a>><br>
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