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<div>Although now I will say such a thing. Tzadkiel presents himself not as the Outsider but as His agent. Arguably the most important question of the series is whether Tzadkiel is lying. I think there are in fact three options:</div>
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<div>1) Tzadkiel is, like a Christian archangel, more or less in direct contact with the will of the deity. Thus he/she is to be completely trusted and is a more or less incontrovertible moral authority.</div>
<div>2) Tzadkiel is a creepy insectoid alien thing and a liar. The pretentions of religion are a means of controlling the human race.</div>
<div>3) Tzadkiel is a "higher" being in some meaningful sense but remains metaphysically removed from the divine, like the angel in "The Cock and the Angel." His/her belief in the Increate and desire to do its will is sincere, and to that end he/she is just doing the best he/she can, but like the angel in the story Tzadkiel remains fallible and infinitely removed from the mind of the Increate.</div>
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<div>I go back and forth between 2) and 3) myself.<br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 AM, David Stockhoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dstockhoff@verizon.net">dstockhoff@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">No one said anyone was pretending anything. It was a general theoretical observation.<br><br><a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org" target="_blank">brunians@brunians.org</a> wrote:<br>
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<div class="h5">Who usurping where?<br><br>Which archon is pretending to be the Outsider? Tzadkiel?<br><br>I don't think so.<br><br>.<br><br><br><br><br> <br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">No, the definition of usurping demands it. So does the concept of a<br>local archon pretending to be the Outsider. You can explain it any way<br>
you want, but that's the concept.<br><br>Think Tolkien.<br><br><a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org" target="_blank">brunians@brunians.org</a> wrote:<br> <br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Maybe for you.<br><br>.<br><br><br><br> <br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">The question, then, is whether such delegation occurred---or not.<br><br><a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org" target="_blank">brunians@brunians.org</a> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I don't buy it.<br><br>God delegates all the time.<br><br>.<br><br><br><br> <br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Precisely.<br><br>Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:<br><br><br> <br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jeff Wilson <<a href="mailto:jwilson@io.com" target="_blank">jwilson@io.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br><br><br><br> <br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Jeff Wilson wrote (30-06-2010 16:04):<br><br><br><br> <br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On 6/30/2010 9:24 AM, James Wynn wrote:<br><br><br><br> <br></blockquote>There's that thing about only God being creator.<br>
<br><br><br> <br></blockquote>How is that relevant here? Do you prefer that people use "assemble"<br>instead of "create"?<br><br><br><br> <br></blockquote>It's relevant because a race that creates a (slave) race is usurping<br>
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