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<div class="im"><br><br>But the point I brought up is independent of whether the evil power was created by God or bred by whoever.<br><br></div></blockquote></blockquote>
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<div>Is it? I dunno. I think the existence of, say, hurricanes, or the bubonic plague, is potentially more troubling from a theodicy standpoint than the possibility that the free will of hman beings might create monstrous demigods as the Hierogrammates under Scenario 2 are. Anyway I rather doubt that the author would agree that the existence of such beings is inconsistent with the existence of a traditionally-understood God.</div>
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<div>Regardless, we are getting afield of the question.</div>
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<div class="im"> > I honestly think top-posting usually isn't helpful - maybe it's early<br> > afternoon drowsiness but I can't grasp your point.<br> ><br> > John Watkins wrote (01-07-2010 16:31):<br>
>> Tdazkiel's people are themselves artificial...awfully difficult<br> to blame<br> >> God for their control over the universe.<br> >><br> >> 2010/7/1 António Pedro Marques <<a href="mailto:entonio@gmail.com" target="_blank">entonio@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div class="im"><br> >><br> >> Option 2 I think is untenable.<br> >><br> >> - If God is good, then it makes no sense to create a universe in<br> >> which:<br> >> + God's creatures are toys in an evil power's hands<br>
>> + God's creatures believe that the evil power is not evil<br> at all<br> >> and is doing God's work<br> >> + those who oppose the evil power are not, generally speaking,<br>
>> better people than the others, and in fact seem to be worse.<br> >><br> >> - If God isn't good then by what standard can we call such an<br> >> unfathomable being as Tzadkiel evil?<br>
>><br> >> Keeping option 3 doesn't mean that the acts of Tzadkiel need no<br> >> atoning for, it just means they're done with the best of<br> intentions<br> >> and knowledge. We have a saying here, 'Of [people with] good<br>
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