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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Jane Delawney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jane_delawney@sky.com">jane_delawney@sky.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On 20/06/10 02:02, Mr Thalassocrat wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Jane Delawney<<a href="mailto:jane_delawney@sky.com" target="_blank">jane_delawney@sky.com</a>>wrote:
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">The only explanation that I can see<br>here is that the poles, the hemispheres themselves, are not arranged as Sev<br>
knew them in his original place and time.<br><br> <br></blockquote>I just assumed that he has travelled so far back in time that the proper<br>motions of the stars had carried them far away from their positions in his<br>
own day.<br><br></div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_motion" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_motion</a><br><br> <br></blockquote>Since I haven't been re-reading Wolfe's appendices until after I have finished the books themselves, I hadn't until after I posted my query about the Crotali read the comment right at the end of TUOTNS:<br>
<br>"... it should be noted that the stars seen in the skies of the Commonwealth in winter rise in spring over the Stone Town (presumably due to the precession of the equinoxes) ... "<br><br>This comment occurs in the discussion of the apparent 'miracle' of the prolongation of night by Apu-Punchau; GW goes on to state that Severian's seeing of his accustomed spring stars in the delayed dawn supports the theory that the prolongation of the night is no 'miracle' but rather is caused by an eclipse of the sun - eclipsed by Tzadkiel's vast ship, we are led to assume. Sev's childhood spring stars are still there, but they rise a great deal later than they should for the time of year.<br>
<br>This would appear to make sense astronomically and there's no need to invoke a polar flip. However it does beg the question of exactly how far the equinoxes would need to precess to produce this effect. I believe a full Great Year of equinoctial precession lasts some 26000 solar years (is this right?) and this would imply that Apu-Punchau's time is some 13500 years before Severian's present at the very least (could be several multiples of 26000 plus 13500 of course).<br>
<br>This doesn't have very much to do with proper motion of the stars as such of course; however, one might note that there's a hidden implication here that Apu-Punchau's era may be on the nearer end of that timescale, since proper motion of the stars would definitely affect the shape of constellations, and Sev has no hesitation in recognising the Crotali and other patterns.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>JD</font>
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