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<div>I guess what I'm asking is, do that parallels between the Chapter and the Catholic Church rise to the level that within the fictive universe there must be a cause-and-effect relationship between them, or can they be interpretted as merely have a metafictive causal relationship, i.e., the author is a Catholic with something to say and playing around with ideas that are familiar to him?<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">You could just as well ask "How Catholic is the Catholic Church?" Obviously there are parallels with other religions in this or that aspect. It's the whole package that is at issue. I can't imagine that any reader has said, "Oh! You think the Chapter seems like a twisted version of Catholic Church? I hadn't thought of that."<br>
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<div>Naturally there are elements in the liturgy and priestly celibacy. But the Catholic liturgy did not spring forth fully formed either, and priestly celibacy is not a uniquely Christian practice either (many Buddhist groups, um...Vestal Virgins...have to be others as well).<br>
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<div class="im">On the other hand, it is possible for a "Catholic Church" to have been established in the Commonwealth without a Jesus (complete with crosses) merely in correspondence to the vibrations of our Universe, just as in Green's dimension (There Are Doors) grooms wear black at weddings only because they do it in Lara's dimension.<br>
<br>In that case, the Chapter is a parody of an echo. But somehow I find that less satisfying.<br><font color="#888888"></font><br></div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Doesn't Wolfe undermine the idea that Urth's universe has no Jesus in "The<br>Book of the Long Sun"? Lemur told Silk that Scylla founded the Chapter as a<br>
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