Touatte.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:10 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org">brunians@brunians.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Ouanquerrie.<br>
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> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jeff Wilson <<a href="mailto:jwilson@io.com">jwilson@io.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On 6/3/2010 8:58 PM, John Watkins wrote:<br>
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>>> I agree with this. Actually, Mormonism has significant Arian elements<br>
>>> too, and Mormonism and Islam have a lot in common.<br>
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>><br>
>> I still have a problem calling anything non-trinitarian Christianity. It<br>
>> would be like calling the Nation of Islam the same as Islam, despite it<br>
>> maintianing the divinity of its founder, Wallace Fard Muhammad.<br>
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> I completely agree--however, my agreement is coming from within orthodox<br>
> Christianity, so it's far from academically disinterested! Many students<br>
> of<br>
> religion solve the problem of who is and who isn't a Christian by simply<br>
> considering everyone who claims the name to be one. I understand why, but<br>
> to stretch terms so far makes them nearly meaningless, in my opinion.<br>
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> In response to an earlier post on Arianism, I have always thought that the<br>
> Jehovah's Witnesses were the closest modern equivalent. The creators and<br>
> subcreators of Mormonism always call to mind, for me, the demiurges, aeons<br>
> and emanations of Gnosticism.<br>
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> Islam is a more complicated case, I think. It's very likely that Muhammad<br>
> considered himself a sort of Christian. I have always thought that the<br>
> Iconoclastic movement, and later the Swiss Reformers, partook somewhat of<br>
> the Islamic ethos. Certainly Calvin has more in common with Muhammad than<br>
> with most of the Fathers...<br>
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> --<br>
> Matt +<br>
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> Each of us bears his own Hell.<br>
> Virgil [Publius Vergilius Maro] (70-19 B.C.), Aeneid, bk. VI, l. 743<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Matt +<br><br>Each of us bears his own Hell.<br> Virgil [Publius Vergilius Maro] (70-19 B.C.), Aeneid, bk. VI, l. 743<br>