<div>Among the things I think the story is meant to show</div>
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<div>1) If Jesus Christ didn't exist, we'd have to invent a roughly similar figure,</div>
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<div>2) If that roughly similar figure was a flawed human being, the resulting religion would be considerable worse (Wolfe cheats here--Severian isn't a great sage or moral teacher--the Christ-figure of his world's religion was generally not a nice man), and</div>
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<div>3) Because all faiths are salvific insofar as they participate in truth, even the mock-Christianity of the New Sun world leads to genuine moments of grace. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:53 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org">brunians@brunians.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Severian is the Conciliator.<br><br>Or am I missing something?<br><br>.<br>
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<div class="h5"><br><br>><br>> I agree. The Conciliator was the "jesus" of Urth. And that already<br>> happened in the past of Urth.<br>><br>>> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:00:40 -0400<br>>> From: <a href="mailto:eugene.zar@gmail.com">eugene.zar@gmail.com</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:urth@lists.urth.net">urth@lists.urth.net</a><br>>> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north<br>>><br>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Lee Berman <<a href="mailto:severiansola@hotmail.com">severiansola@hotmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > FWIW, my opinion is that Urth is presented as less spiritually<br>>> > advanced than Earth, notably lacking two important earthly<br>>> > spiritual events, The Flood and the Coming of Jesus. Thus,<br>
>> > Severian has his roles to play. The Urth we are reading about<br>>> > is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its<br>>> > spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which<br>
>> > plagued our pagan ancestors.<br>>><br>>> Wasn't the Conciliator the Jesus-like figure? Severian seemed to me to<br>>> be very much non-divine. Quite the opposite, he very specifically<br>
>> comes from a very dark place, and rises to his status as savior.<br>>> Severian's respect for the Increate and the sun itself is apparent<br>>> early in the book, so I suspect Severian's story was meant to, in<br>
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