Beelzebub's Tales is a true Golden Book, though not necessarily the best place to start. I think "In Search of the Miraculous" is a good place to start and ponder, and then dive into the hyper-density of Beelzebub's Tales.<br>
<br>If Book of the New Sun hides it's meanings for future readings, Beelzebub's tales buries it's meanings for future generations. It is so fraking dense, and astutely profound.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org">brunians@brunians.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I don't know much about Gurdjieff's system. I am aware of it, I haven't<br>
done any work with it, I don't remember too many details.<br>
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I have been meaning to read "Beelzebub's Tales" for some time.<br>
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> There is a very similar system laid out by G. I. Gurdjieff, an Armenian<br>
> mystic. He lays out a very cogent and beautiful cosmology which resonates<br>
> nearly exactly with what you are saying, while relating it to a much arger<br>
> cosmology as well, relating to the octave, and trinities. You might find<br>
> it<br>
> interesting. Ever come across his stuff?<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:14 AM, <<a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org">brunians@brunians.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>><br>
>> He is one of three or four people who I can have a conversation with on<br>
>> this level. The idea that he was humoring me never crossed my mind. I<br>
>> have<br>
>> watched him humor people (and you can too, if you show up at any talk he<br>
>> gives, there are always one or two in the audience who positively<br>
>> require<br>
>> it).<br>
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>> > Are you sure he wasn't humoring you?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I kid. Sure, that's plausible. I tend to think it's unnecessarily<br>
>> complex<br>
>> > for NS/LS/SS, but then see Wolfe's diagram of the Wizard Knight<br>
>> > uni/multiverse.<br>
>> ><br>
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>> > From: <a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org">brunians@brunians.org</a><br>
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>> > There are multiple time dimensions.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The level of the World that we inhabit includes three spacelike and<br>
>> one<br>
>> > timelike dimension. This is a selection (sort of) from the 'next level<br>
>> up'<br>
>> > which includes four spacelike dimensions, two timelike dimensions (one<br>
>> of<br>
>> > which is parallel to 'our' time and a third timelike dimension which<br>
>> > stands to the creatures of the 'next level up' as our time dimension<br>
>> does<br>
>> > to us.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I derive this from my work with the well known 'Enochian' system of<br>
>> > magick, and as I recall Wolfe expressed general agreement with it when<br>
>> we<br>
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