<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Joe Riley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:whamdoodler@yahoo.com">whamdoodler@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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I'm not a Catholic, so this could be wrong, but someone mentioned it on the list once before, and I remember being floored by it then.<br><br>Didn't the Second Vatican Council (1965) rule that even "those who have not yet received the Gospel" can go to heaven if they've discerned the nature of God through their own religion? Here's what Wikipedia says:<br>
<br>"Perhaps the most famous and most influential product of the council is the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_Gentium" title="Lumen Gentium" target="_blank">Lumen Gentium</a></i>.
<p>In its first chapter, titled <i>"The Mystery of the Church,"</i> is
the famous statement that "the sole Church of Christ which in the Creed
we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour,
after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the
other apostles to extend and direct with authority, which He erected
for all ages as 'the pillar and mainstay of the truth.' This Church,
constituted and organized as a society in the present world, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Subsistit_in%22_in_Lumen_Gentium" title=""Subsistit in" in Lumen Gentium" target="_blank">subsists in</a>
the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by
the bishops in communion with him" (Lumen Gentium, 8). The document
immediately adds: "Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of
truth are found outside its visible confines."</p><p><br></p>
In the second chapter, titled <i>"On the People of God"</i>, the
Council teaches that God wills to save people not just as individuals
but as a people. For this reason God chose the Israelite people to be
his own people and established a covenant with it, as a preparation and
figure of the covenant ratified in Christ that constitutes the new
People of God, which would be one, not according to the flesh, but in
the Spirit and which is called the Church of Christ (<i>Lumen Gentium</i>,
9). All human beings are called to belong to the Church. Not all are
fully incorporated into the Church, but "the Church knows that she is
joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of
Christ, but who do not however profess the Catholic faith in its
entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor
of Peter" (<i>Lumen Gentium</i>, 15) and even with "those who have not yet received the Gospel," among whom Jews and Muslims are explicitly mentioned (<i>Lumen Gentium</i>, 16).<br><br>Doesn't this make multiple Christs unnecessary, so long as the sentient aliens came to an understanding of God through their own gods? Being a dogmatic Catholic, I'm sure Wolfe would have been aware of this. <br>
<br>-Joe <br><br></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote></div><br>It's a strikingly humble stance, compared to earlier positions, but yes. <i>Lumen Gentium</i> is probably what I was thinking of in my earlier response.<br>
<br>Going back (again) to C.S. Lewis, there's a passage in <i>The Last Battle </i>that addresses this. Aslan (Narnia's Christ) receives a Calormene (the Calormenes are Narnia's Muslims, more or less) into his kingdom, and says that though Tash is a false god, the Calormene has served him in the same spirit of charity and justice as Narnians are to serve Aslan; and so the good that the Calormene did in Tash's name has been counted as good done in Aslan's name (just as wickedness done in Aslan's name will be counted as wickedness done in the service of Tash). All this, btw, is in the context of a book-long controversy over where Aslan and Tash are the same god--some of the characters even start referring to this hybrid as "Tashlan".<br>
<br><br><br>-- <br>Matt +<br><br>When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other, in order that the people may require a leader.<br>
Plato (c. 428-348 B.C.), The Republic, bk. VIII, 566-E<br><br>